Cannon Ball Paradox: Math Explained

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical implications of dropping a cannonball through a hole drilled through the Earth, focusing on the mathematical explanation of its motion, the effects of gravity, and the role of atmospheric conditions. Participants explore concepts related to simple harmonic motion and the assumptions involved in such a scenario.

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  • Some participants explain that the motion of the cannonball can be modeled as simple harmonic motion, with gravitational force depending only on the mass inside the sphere defined by its radius vector from the center of the Earth.
  • One participant provides a mathematical derivation of the period of motion, concluding that it is approximately 84.2 minutes, with maximum speed calculated to be around 18,000 mph at the center of the Earth.
  • Another participant questions the realism of the scenario, suggesting that neglecting friction and air resistance may not be valid assumptions, especially considering the density of air would increase within the hole.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of air density and pressure within the hole, with one suggesting that the air would be densest at the center of the Earth.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriateness of using different mathematical symbols to express approximations in the context of the calculations presented.

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Participants express differing views on the realism of the assumptions made in the theoretical model, particularly regarding air resistance and friction. While some agree on the mathematical framework of simple harmonic motion, others challenge the feasibility of the scenario as presented.

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Limitations include assumptions about uniform density of the Earth, neglect of air resistance, and the hypothetical nature of the scenario which may not account for practical realities such as atmospheric pressure and friction.

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I understand that if you drop a cannonball from a hole drilled through the Earth from pole-to-pole, the ball would reach a speed of 18,000 mph at the center, and then slow to a speed of zero at the other end of the hole. Can anyone give me a mathematical explanation of this?

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It's effectively just simple harmonic motion.

The only mass that affects the cannon ball is the mass INSIDE the sphere defined by its radius vector from the center of the earth. The matter outside its radius cancels. In other words, for a cannon ball that's a distance r from the center, the volume inside its radius vector is

[tex]V = \frac{4}{3} \pi r^3[/tex]

and given some density (which, for a simple approximation, does not depend on depth), the mass inside is

[tex]M = \frac{4}{3} \rho \pi r^3[/tex]

The gravitational force on the bowling ball from this mass is

[tex]F = G \frac{ \frac{4}{3} \rho \pi r^3 m }{r^2} = \frac{4}{3} G m \rho \pi r[/tex]

which is linear in r. The rest is just like any spring problem.

- Warren
 
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[Allow me to continue if I may . . .]


The period of this simple harmonic motion is

[tex] T = 2 \pi \sqrt{\frac{m}{k}}[/tex]

where

[tex] k = \frac{4}{3} G m \rho \pi \mbox{.}[/tex]


Simplifying, we obtain

[tex] T = 2 \pi \sqrt{\frac{m}{k}} = 2 \pi \sqrt{\frac{3 m}{4 G m \rho \pi }} = \sqrt{\frac{3 \pi}{G \rho }} \mbox{.}[/tex]


Taking

[tex]\rho = 5.51 \times 10^3 \ \mbox{kg/m}^3[/tex]

and

[tex]G = 6.67 \times 10^{-11} \ \mbox{N} \cdot \mbox{m}^2\mbox{/kg}^2[/tex]

we obtain

[tex]T = 5,050 \ \mbox{s} = 84.2 \ \mbox{min.}}[/tex]


For simple harmonic motion,

the maximum speed is [tex]\omega A[/tex]

where

[tex]\omega = \frac {2 \pi}{T}[/tex]

and

[tex]A = \mbox{the maximum displacement} \mbox{.}}[/tex]


Taking [tex]A = \mbox{the mean radius of the Earth} = 3,960 \ \mbox{mi}[/tex]

we find the maximum speed which occurs at the center of the Earth

[tex]\omega A = \frac {2 \pi}{T} A = \frac {2 \pi \ 3,960 \ \mbox{mi}} {5,050 \ \mbox{s}} = 17,737 \ \mbox{mi/h} \mbox{.}}[/tex]
 
The last line of my previous post should have been

[tex]\omega A = \frac {2 \pi}{T} A = \frac {2 \pi \ 3,960 \ \mbox{mi}} {5,050 \ \mbox{s}} = 17,737 \ \mbox{mi/h} \mbox{.}} \simeq 18,000 \ \mbox{mph}.[/tex]

(Actually, I have a question. Should I use [tex]\approx[/tex] before 18,000 mph instead? What's the difference between signs [tex]\simeq[/tex] and [tex]\approx[/tex]?)
 
A set of questions:

How is the atmosphere distributed around the Earth when a hole is dug through it?

Will the air be denser inside the hole?

The hole won't be vacuum, will it?
 
Yes, the air will be denser in the hole, and densest right at the center of the earth.

If you want to calculate the pressure at any point in the hole, just consider the weight of the column of air above that point.

- Warren
 
Originally posted by chroot
Yes, the air will be denser in the hole, and densest right at the center of the earth.


Then, the usual premise "neglecting friction" in this sort of a-tunnel-through-the-earth problems is unrealistic, isn't it?

Considering an object dropped into the tunnel will reach its terminal velocity, the object reaching a speed of 18,000 MPH at the center of the Earth and the motion having a period of 84 minutes are both impossible.
 
Originally posted by Julian Solos
Then, the usual premise "neglecting friction" in this sort of a-tunnel-through-the-earth problems is unrealistic, isn't it?

Only slightly more unrealistc than it is in all the other hypathetical situations proposed in physics. For these kinds of situations, I find it helpfull to re[;ace the phrase "neglect air resistance" with, perform the experiment in a vacuum chamber". If the hole is dug through center of the Earth, and then all the air is pumped out, the model becomes sensible.
 

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