Hanged from a crane aged 16 (the girl, not the crane)

Yonoz

EXCLUSIVE: HANGED FROM A CRANE AGED 16
EXCLUSIVE JUSTICE IRAN STYLE: SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE DEFIED Her crime? She had sex with an unmarried man
By Susie Boniface

IT WAS exactly 6am and the start of another blisteringly hot summer day when 16-year-old Atefeh Rajabi was dragged from her prison cell and taken to be executed.

Every step of the way the troubled teenager plagued by mental problems shouted "repentance, repentance" as the militiamen marched her to the town's Railway Square.

The Iranian judge who had sentenced Atefeh to death was left unmoved as he personally put the noose around her neck and signalled to the crane driver...

Something to be kept in mind when reviewing any crises in the middle east. Iran is constantly exporting its Islamic revolution to countries such as Lebanon and Iraq. It is the puppetmaster behind Hizbullah and is gaining a strong hold over Hamas too.

Anttech

I think we both know that Lebanon is nothing like this.

arildno

Iran, or just about any country in the Middle East have not gone through a period of secular Enlightenment.
This is extremely saddening, since it means that religious fanatics are not confronted with their own deep moral failings that are intimately connected with the particular brand of religion they are attached to.

selfAdjoint

Quote by Anttech

I think we both know that Lebanon is nothing like this.

Hezbollah is very much the proxy for Iran. Where do you think they get all those rockets, or the money to provide the social services that has helped them dominate southern Lebanon as their own satrapy?

Gokul43201

Quote by Anttech

I think we both know that Lebanon is nothing like this.

You'd be surprised how bad it is in seemingly progressive (a relative term) countries, when it comes to remote, rural areas. It is true in Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, Malaysia,...

The only difference is that in some places, the governments don't care enough to do more to stop it, while in others the government actively encourages it.

Anttech

lebanon, was/is quite a forward thinking democratic country, untill it was blighted by its cival war. It has almost 50% christians living there, so dont equate Lebanon with extreem Islamists.

Hezbollah is very much the proxy for Iran

I know, but lebanon isnt Hezbollah.

Gokul43201

Read this in the Times but a week ago.

http://www.bianet.org/2006/07/01_eng/news82368.htm

For Derya, a waiflike girl of 17, the order to kill herself came from an uncle and was delivered in a text message to her cellphone. "You have blackened our name," it read. "Kill yourself and clean our shame or we will kill you first."

Derya said her crime was to fall for a boy she had met at school last spring. She knew the risks: her aunt had been killed by her grandfather for seeing a boy. But after being cloistered and veiled for most of her life, she said, she felt free for the first time and wanted to express her independence.

It's not like honor killings are legal in Turkey - which is among the most progressive of the states with an Islamic population - but at the same time politicos are reluctant to anger the conservative voter.

arildno

You can read on Peter Tatchell's page how Iran treats gay teenagers:
http://www.petertatchell.net

Once again, there is simply only one word adequate to describe the leaders of Iran:
They are EVIL, and their evil is strongly connected with basic moral flaws within Islamic thinking.

I would also like to remind people what was just about the only form of public entertainment allowed in the Taliban regime of Afghanistan:

PUBLIC EXECUTIONS.

Anttech

They are EVIL, and their evil is strongly connected with basic moral flaws within Islamic thinking.

Now that is a swweeeeepppiiinnggggg statement! Consider all the "Christian crusades" and the genocides that entailed, for example South America.

Basic moral flaws in Christingdom? yeap.

Its nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with radicalisation.

kyleb

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Iran, or just about any country in the Middle East have not gone through a period of secular Enlightenment.

Iran did, but our proxy war with Russia convinced them to turn back.

arildno

Quote by Anttech

Basic moral flaws in Christingdom? yeap.

I was censored at PF from saying just that (CAVEAT: I put the words in a too antagonistic tone, that was my fault).

Its nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with radicalisation.

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"
This is a DUTY TO DO MURDER for all Christians, since it stands in their holy book.
You don't think statements like this have anything to do with the prosecution of witches in earlier times?

Please don't overlook an obvious cause of evil in many cultures, even though you have been trained from childhood to regard religion as an inherently good thing.

arildno

Quote by kyleb

Iran did, but our proxy war with Russia convinced them to turn back.

I know that.
The Enlightenment period in Europe has scarcely lasted 300 years, and is today under an extremely powerful, subtle attack:
Namely, that to embrace unreason&religion is inherently a good thing, and that those who say otherwise are intolerant.

Physics_wiz

Quote by Yonoz

EXCLUSIVE: HANGED FROM A CRANE AGED 16
EXCLUSIVE JUSTICE IRAN STYLE: SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE DEFIED Her crime? She had sex with an unmarried man
By Susie Boniface
Something to be kept in mind when reviewing any crises in the middle east. Iran is constantly exporting its Islamic revolution to countries such as Lebanon and Iraq. It is the puppetmaster behind Hizbullah and is gaining a strong hold over Hamas too.

I could be wrong but isn't this kindda old?

kyleb

Quote by arildno

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live"
This is a DUTY TO DO MURDER for all Christians, since it stands in their holy book.
You don't think statements like this have anything to do with the prosecution of witches in earlier times?

Please don't overlook an obvious cause of evil in many cultures, even though you have been trained from childhood to regard religion as an inherently good thing.

Quoting the Bible doesn't rightly make a case agaisnt Islam.

arildno

And equally hate-filled sentences can be found in the Quran.
Just pick a page at random and read it.
It is quite likely you'll find something.

kyleb

I read a fair chunk of it for a history of world religions course and found much good in those texts.

arildno

Your point being?

Do you deny that the sentence "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" makes murder a duty for those who want to make the Bible into the set of rules they are to live by?

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Anttech	I think we both know that Lebanon is nothing like this.

arildno Recognitions: Gold Member Homework Help Science Advisor	Iran, or just about any country in the Middle East have not gone through a period of secular Enlightenment. This is extremely saddening, since it means that religious fanatics are not confronted with their own deep moral failings that are intimately connected with the particular brand of religion they are attached to.

kyleb	I read a fair chunk of it for a history of world religions course and found much good in those texts.

arildno Recognitions: Gold Member Homework Help Science Advisor	Your point being? Do you deny that the sentence "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" makes murder a duty for those who want to make the Bible into the set of rules they are to live by?