NMR Relaxation Times: Fe3+ & Mn2+ Ratios Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences in relaxation times (T1 and T2) for solutions of Fe3+ and Mn2+ ions in the context of nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR). Participants explore the reasons behind the observed ratios of T1/T2 for these ions, focusing on their nuclear properties and interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the T1/T2 ratio for Fe3+ is approximately 1, while for Mn2+ it is around 4, prompting questions about the underlying reasons for this difference.
  • Another participant suggests that the nuclear properties of the transition metals differ significantly, despite having similar valence electron counts.
  • A participant inquires specifically about the reasons for the smaller T1/T2 ratio for Fe compared to the larger ratio for Mn, highlighting their similar electronic configurations.
  • It is mentioned that T2 measures spin-spin relaxation, and that quadrupolar nuclei, such as Mn, may lead to faster relaxation and thus a higher T1/T2 ratio due to their nuclear spin characteristics.
  • One participant explains that iron-57 has a nuclear spin of 1/2, resulting in no electric quadrupole moment, while manganese has a nuclear spin of 5/2, which contributes to its quadrupole moment and complicates NMR studies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specific reasons for the differences in T1/T2 ratios, with no consensus reached on the exact mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nuclear properties of the ions and their effects on relaxation times, but these assumptions are not fully explored or resolved. The complexity of NMR studies involving quadrupolar nuclei is acknowledged but remains an area of uncertainty.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in nuclear magnetic resonance, transition metal chemistry, or the effects of nuclear properties on relaxation times may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello

We conducted an experiment recently for our physics lab to determine the relaxation times for a solution of Fe3+ and Mn2+ ions we then had to compare the ratios of T1/T2 for the two solutions and we found that for Fe3+ ions the ratio came to ~1 and for Mn2+ ions it came to 4 (i.e >1)

My question is why is there a difference in the ratios? It seems that it is all dependent on T2 (relaxation time eliminating field inhomogeneity). I've been hearing things about scalar coupling but I don't understand that idea fully. :-/
 
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Think about the nuclear properties of each transition metal. Fe(III) and Mn (II) may have the same number of valence electrons, but the nuclear properties differ in a not insignificant way.

Scalar (or J) coupling is just spin-spin coupling through bonds, usually within three or so bonds. It is one of those delightfully wacky quantum mechanical results that you eventually learn to just deal with and accept in NMR.
 
does anyone know exactly why the T1/T2 ratio is smaller for Fe and larger for Mn? Their electronic configs are virtually the same?
 
T2 measures spin-spin relaxation, right? So if you have two quadrupolar nuclei interacting (e.g. Mn), you're going to have a really fast relaxing nucleus, a really short T2, and therefore a much higher T1/T2 ratio.

The reason I said in my older post to look at the nuclear properties is because iron iron-57) has a nuclear spin of 1/2 (ergo no electric quadrupole moment) and manganese has a nuclear spin of 5/2 (ergo a quadrupole moment).

But I didn't want to give it away. It is important to understand that quadrupolar nuclei are like this, and therefore NMR studies on them are very tricky.
 

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