China and United States

Milo Hobgoblin

Yes I do. And there are way too many examples of ghetto and backwater schools producing exceptional students to state the contrary.


I think most of the statistics that appear to dispute my claims such as the overall dismal performance of the general populace attending many of these schools.. the effect only supports my claim that groups of people who simply lack the innate ability to succeed will fall behind.

Now.. if you would like me to provide you of lists with countless names of exceptional individuals who attended primary schooling at these ghetto or backwater institutions .. I would be glad to do so. (it will take me a while.. Im actually at work LOL)

But it only takes ONE to prove me right. because according to your theories.. if EVERYONE is equal in ability and talent.. then NO ONE should succeed coming from these schools..

Only one proves that the majority of schools provide more than enough opportunity to get ahead... and that those who fall behind do so because of their lack of innate ability.

Try as you may.. you cannot excuse the lazy and dim witted.

arildno

Really?
From what I know, there are several extremely mediocre students who, due to their inheritance, still manage to get into prestigious institutions that OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE SAME CATEGORY OF COMPETENCE AS THEMSELVES never would have gotten into.

One of them happens to be the current president of the US.

russ_watters

So...your no argument at all is better than an oversimplified one?

Seriously, arildno, what are you doing here? Your contribution to this thread is utterly pointless.

arildno

Really?
The fact that the 1% most talented part of the population in ANY society will do well, irrespective of initial differences in wealth, cannot (or should not!) be the basis of your social views.

If you don't think the other 99% count, in which unequal distributions of initial wealth DO matter, that's your problem.

raolduke

This is completely true. Americans have just as many, I am betting more, venues as the Chinese for education. But the problem is like you said is the willingness of eachothers citizens to learn. In China they are willing to learn English. In America we learn one tounge. And I've rarely seen English used that well by most Americans (including me).
Besides the willingness to learn they also have 2 billion people that are willing to expand their culture.

arildno

No, it is not true at all.
Kids growing up in poor areas do not have access to schools that offers a better, and more expensive, education.

So, no, kids in the US do NOT have equal access to education.

The sole relevant criterium is whether each kid has access to an education that can be termed sufficient, where at the very least, I think about a majority of the kids do have such access.

raolduke

I never said that we have as many kids that are willing to learn/ that are learning.. We have more outlets than the chinese for learning. Example - Public libraries and public education. Both are free and both have been available for all citizens and their children for many years. Even in poor parts of town you still may have access to a library or internet.

arildno

Again, you choose to ignore the most obvious source of unequal access.

As long as you do, you are not really ready to discuss these issues.

raolduke

What is the most obvious source of unequal access?

arildno

As I said, you are not ready to discuss these issues.

raolduke

How do you know that I don't know? How would I know unless you told me? Why wouldn't you like to enlighten me?

arildno

It has already been told you. You still choose to ignore it.

KvnBushi

This had the potential to be a pretty interesting thread.

AFG34

chinese people in general are very hard working..they have potential.

DrClapeyron

I grew up taking Karate lessons, and I always felt it was a very solid, rigid and strong martial art. There was a lot of emphasis on striking, blocking and grapling. Kung-fu I felt was very passive, artistic and painful, you have to be very flexible for kung-fu.

The Chinese have a very pacive lifestyle compared to their neighbors. I won't deny they can be as cruel as any other country, to me they are the Italians of the East with the Japanese the Germans. I don't think strength is always in numbers. Take the English; a small island nation that founded a very wealth and large empire.

Chinese and Indian societies had been far more populous than the English, yet they both came under jurisdiction of British naval law. I shouldn't see why things have changed within the last 200 years.

W3pcq

If China were to make new advances in science, do you think we would even know about it. They keep everything secret. They have ancient ruins that they keep secret from there own people.

W3pcq

China is definately becoming more and more powerful. They are still in the process of industrial revolution. They use more and more oil every. They are beginning to have a middle class. I think that having einsteins is irrellivant. The real power today is in economics. They are going to dominate us economically. They are smart and they don't give up.

Wealth is definately the biggest factor in determining educational opportunity.