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Gulf Stream Troubles: What Global Warming Means for Us
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Discussion Overview
The discussion centers on the implications of global warming for the Gulf Stream and its potential effects on climate, particularly in Europe. Participants explore various scientific perspectives on how changes in the Gulf Stream could lead to unexpected cooling in Europe, as well as the broader implications of climate change predictions.
Discussion Character
- Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants express concern that global warming may disrupt the Gulf Stream, leading to significant cooling in Europe, potentially within decades.
- Others reference research suggesting that the Gulf Stream's changes could already be underway, contradicting earlier beliefs that such effects were a century away.
- A participant challenges the generalization of climate change effects, arguing that historical climate events were often localized and that current predictions may not account for this variability.
- Another post mentions a climate model predicting hotter summers, adding to the complexity of the discussion regarding future climate scenarios.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of global warming on the Gulf Stream and its effects on climate in Europe.
Contextual Notes
Some claims rely on specific historical climate events and their localized impacts, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes references to various scientific studies and models, but the assumptions and limitations of these models are not fully explored.
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Global warming will plunge Britain into new ice age 'within decades'
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/environment/story.jsp?story=484490
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/environment/story.jsp?story=484490
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Countering the global warming hype? It seems that "Europe" is about equivalent to "global". Europe is one of the few places where a warming up climate change could be visible. Yet it is assumed to be global.
It was conceived that the Little Medieval Ice age could have been global until Mann et al (MBH98) dictated that it was local, limited to the North Atlantic region.
The Last Glacial Maximum, the termination of the last Ice age between about 25-15,000 years ago, seemed to have been rather local, limited to North West Europe and its antipode, SE Australia, Tasmania, and New Zealand. North America suffered from a glacial maximum probably as long as 100,000 years until 12,000 years ago. However, no Last Glacial Maximum in Siberia and South America.
So if anybody understands all that, he would be the first to do a valid prediction for the future. Until then all those climate predictions are just hot air
It was conceived that the Little Medieval Ice age could have been global until Mann et al (MBH98) dictated that it was local, limited to the North Atlantic region.
The Last Glacial Maximum, the termination of the last Ice age between about 25-15,000 years ago, seemed to have been rather local, limited to North West Europe and its antipode, SE Australia, Tasmania, and New Zealand. North America suffered from a glacial maximum probably as long as 100,000 years until 12,000 years ago. However, no Last Glacial Maximum in Siberia and South America.
So if anybody understands all that, he would be the first to do a valid prediction for the future. Until then all those climate predictions are just hot air
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