How Can x*0=0 Be Proven Without Using m(-1)=-m?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around proving the statement that x*0=0 for any integer x, without relying on the proposition that m(-1)=-m. Participants explore various approaches and reasoning to establish this mathematical claim.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving x*0=0 without using the proposition m(-1)=-m, indicating a circular reasoning issue.
  • Another participant suggests manipulating the equation 0.m=(0+0).m to derive the result, proposing to subtract m.0 from both sides as part of the reasoning process.
  • A third participant acknowledges confusion in their approach, specifically in representing 0 as (m + -m).
  • A later reply presents a definition of multiplication involving summation, stating that when a=0, x*0 can be expressed as the sum of zero added x times, resulting in 0.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on a single method for proving x*0=0, with multiple approaches and some expressions of confusion remaining evident.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' reasoning relies on specific definitions of multiplication and properties of zero, which may not be universally accepted or may depend on additional assumptions.

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I have to prove that x*0= 0 where x is any integer. I can do this pretty easily using the proposition that m(-1)=-m but I am not allowed to use this. In addition, I am unable to prove m(-1)=-m unless I accept the fact that anything times zero equals zero. Can anyone give me a hint or push on how to show this? I am just going around in circles.
 
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0.m=(0+0).m =0.m+0.m

subtract m.0 from both sides.
 
Thanks, I am an idiot. I kept trying to represent 0 as (m + -m)
 
When x is an integer, multiplication can be defined as:

[tex]x*a = \sum^x_{n=1} a[/tex]

When a = 0:

[tex]x*0 = \sum^x_{n=1} 0 = \underbrace{0 + 0 + ... + 0}_x = 0[/tex]
 
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