Need to measure up to 1200 degrees F - help

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for measuring high temperatures, specifically up to 1200 degrees Fahrenheit, in the context of using a kiln for glass annealing. Participants explore various temperature measurement options, including thermocouples and pyrometers, while considering the practical applications and requirements for accurate temperature control.

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Main Points Raised

  • Jeremy inquires about measuring temperatures up to 1200 degrees F and considers using a pyrometer or a thermocouple with a multimeter.
  • One participant suggests that a thermocouple is likely the easiest option and asks about the specific application.
  • Jeremy explains the context of his need, mentioning he built a kiln for glass annealing and requires accurate temperature measurement for firing schedules.
  • Another participant confirms that kiln applications typically use thermocouples and provides information about temperature control modules that can read thermocouples directly and offer control features.
  • Additional advice is given regarding compatibility of controllers with thermocouple types and the importance of considering contact ratings for inductive loads in the kiln setup.
  • Jeremy shares that he found an old analog pyrometer with a type K thermocouple for a low price and expresses hope that it will suffice for his needs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of thermocouples for high-temperature applications, particularly in kiln settings. However, there are varying opinions on the necessity and timing of purchasing additional equipment like temperature controllers, with some participants providing cautionary advice about compatibility and load ratings.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved considerations regarding the specific requirements for temperature measurement accuracy and the potential limitations of using an old analog pyrometer. The discussion also touches on the need for careful selection of components based on the specific kiln setup and operational parameters.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals involved in glassworking, kiln operation, or those interested in high-temperature measurement techniques in experimental or industrial settings.

jgravatt
Does anyone have any thoughts about how I could measure temperatures up to 1200 degrees F? I could buy a pyrometer or piece one together with a thermocouple and multimeter, but just wondering if there is an easier way to do it.

Thanks,
Jeremy
 
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At 1200F it is probably easiest to use a thermocouple. What is the application?

http://www.omega.com/toc_asp/subsectionSC.asp?subsection=A01&book=Temperature
 
I built a kiln to anneal glass, but I need an accurate way to measure temperature so I can set up a firing schedule. I suppose I could use a small 3 mil rod and if it slumps then the box is too hot, but that takes a lot of trial and error.

Jeremy
 
Originally posted by jgravatt
I built a kiln to anneal glass, but I need an accurate way to measure temperature so I can set up a firing schedule. I suppose I could use a small 3 mil rod and if it slumps then the box is too hot, but that takes a lot of trial and error.

Jeremy

Usually, kiln applications do use thermocouples. The page linked shows some options in your temp range. Also, you can buy temperature control modules very cheaply now. They can read the thermocouple directly [no amplification] and they also provide discrete contact outputs for simple on/off control. They can also provide one or several temperature zones and ramp schedules [allowing for a controlled ramping up or down of the temperature as is also often required]. Omega [linked] or nearly any industrial electrical supply house sells these controllers. You should be able to purchase one for about $60 - $80.
 
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Two additional notes: If you buy a controller make sure that it is compatible with the thermocouple type selected [most likely type J, K, or E in your case]. Nearly any controller accepts types J and K, but any other selection could create a compatibility problem with some low cost controllers.

Next, you need to be careful about the contact rating for an inductive load like this. I assume that your heater draws about 15 amps at 110 or 220VAC. This could exceed the standard contact rating of 10-15 amps for purely RESISITIVE loads. You need to oversize your heater control contacts by at least 50 - 100%. You can also buy relays with magnets inserted that act to quench the back EMF discharge; thus protecting the contacts from damage. [Edit: strike that comment. True but not really applicable here]. The kiln may also have an intervening contactor that makes this a moot point.
 
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Thanks for everything. I fould an old analog pyrometer with a type k thermocouple on an auction for $12. Hopefully it will work, anyway it will be worth the risk of $12. As for the controller, I won't get one until I build a larger kiln - probably within the year as my current kiln works fine. Thanks.

Jeremy
 

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