Finding Formula for Number of QN*QN Pairs Between 1 and p-1

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The discussion revolves around finding a formula for the number of pairs of non-quadratic residues (QN) between 1 and p-1, utilizing specific mathematical expressions involving Legendre symbols. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of counting arguments related to quadratic residues and non-residues.

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Main Points Raised

  • Casey expresses difficulty in deriving a formula for the number of QN pairs and references a specific summation involving Legendre symbols.
  • Casey notes a known result for the number of pairs of quadratic residues (QR) and seeks assistance in applying this to QN.
  • Hurkyl asks for clarification on the definitions of QN and QR, which are explained as non-squares and squares mod p, respectively.
  • Another participant questions the definition of "pairs" and suggests that it may not simply refer to combinations of QN elements.
  • Casey clarifies that "pairs" refers to adjacent QN numbers in the sequence from 1 to p.
  • A participant proposes an alternative counting argument for determining the number of pairs, expressing uncertainty about the utility of the required sum.
  • Casey later provides a derived expression for the number of QN pairs and requests verification of this result, indicating a potential solution but leaving room for confirmation.

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Participants express differing views on the approach to solving the problem, with no consensus reached on the validity of Casey's derived formula or the utility of the proposed summation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of the summation and the role of the constant k in the context of the problem. Additionally, the discussion reflects varying levels of understanding of the concepts involved.

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I'm stumped as to how to find a formula for the number of pairs QN*QN between 1 and p-1. I must use the following as the base...

[sum]x=0 to x=p-1 of [1+(x/p)]*[1+((k-x)/p)] where the (x/p) and ((k-x)/p) terms are legendre symbols.

I also know (and can use) the fact that the number of pairs of QR (QRQR) = (1/4)*[p-4-(-1/p)] where again, (-1/p) is a legendre symbol.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Casey
 
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This will never get answered in Homework Help.

Off to Math with ye.

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Refresh my memory, what do QN and QR mean?

Hurkyl
 
Thanks for the kick Tom..
Hurkyl,
QR represents squares mod p, QN represents non-squares mod p.
 
I guess I should ask what "pairs" you're looking for as well; I presume you're not simply just looking for the number of ways to choose 2 elements out of QN.
 
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Say I wrote out the numbers from 1 to p, and I underline the numbers that are QN to p. There will be "pairs" so to speak of QN within this group. By pairs I simply mean two QN lying next to each other.
 
Aha, ok the question makes sense now.

My initial thoughts on how to solve the problem appear totally different than what you say is required. (basically a counting argument using the list of numbers 1 to p - 1)

One last question on the problem (I hope); what is k?

I was trying to figure out what the sum means; I can see how you could compute the number of pairs with the sum:

&Sigmax = 1 .. p - 2 (1 - (x \ p)) (1 - (x + 1 \ p)) / 4

(Where I've used the backslash to represent the Legendre symbol)

Whereas that sum you say must be used in your solution seems to be counting the number of x's such that both x and k - x are quadratic residues. It's not clear to me how that could be useful.
 
1. k is the constant used in the sum of (x(x^2+k)\p), where the x's are summed. (to find S(k)). I ran through it once more after a day of not thinking about it and wound up with the number of pairs of QN in p = (1/4)*(p-2+(-1\p))...

I found this by using (1/4)*sum of x from 0 to p-2 of..
((1-(x\p))*(1-((x+1)\p)-(1-(0\p))*(1-(1\p))-(1-(-1\p))*(1-(p\p))

and just running this through, cancelling and wound up with the above eqn. I'm pretty sure this is right, appreciate a verification if you could. Thanks for all the help!
casey
 

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