Weight of light and Gravity Speed

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of light's mass and the notion of "Gravity Speed," which is suggested to be a speed faster than light and instantaneous. Participants explore the implications of these ideas in the context of physics, questioning established notions of mass and gravity propagation.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how light, which is said to have no mass, can be weighed, referencing a conversation with their math teacher.
  • Another participant asserts that gravity is not instantaneous and propagates at the speed of light (c).
  • A different participant suggests that the original poster may have misunderstood their teacher, proposing that the teacher might have been discussing the gravitational effects of light and its energy density, which can imply a mass density according to special relativity.
  • This participant cites a theoretical framework that suggests electromagnetic radiation has mass density derived from its energy density, although they note that the photon itself has zero rest mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of light's mass and the concept of Gravity Speed. There is no consensus on these topics, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to theoretical concepts and interpretations that may not be universally accepted or experimentally verified. The implications of mass associated with light and the propagation speed of gravity are presented with varying degrees of certainty.

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My math teacher was talking to me about how NASA weighed light. If it doesn't have any mass, how is this possible? Also, he was saying that they are beginning to study a speed faster than the speed of light. Called Gravity Speed. Which has no lag, and is instantaneous. Do any of you know about these?
 
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Originally posted by Guard
My math teacher was talking to me about how NASA weighed light. If it doesn't have any mass, how is this possible? Also, he was saying that they are beginning to study a speed faster than the speed of light. Called Gravity Speed. Which has no lag, and is instantaneous. Do any of you know about these?


And your math teacher told you the derivative of x is 0.
 
Here is a concept, read some of the other threads on the forum.

Gravity is not instantaneous, it propagates at c.
 
Originally posted by Guard
My math teacher was talking to me about how NASA weighed light. If it doesn't have any mass, how is this possible? Also, he was saying that they are beginning to study a speed faster than the speed of light. Called Gravity Speed. Which has no lag, and is instantaneous. Do any of you know about these?

Perhaps you misunderstood him. Maybe he was talking about the gravitational aspects of light? Do you recall exactly what he meant by that? Perhaps be meant the same thing Alan Guth did when he wrote the following. From his class notes on The Early Universe
We are perhaps not used to thinking of electromagnetic radiation as having mass, but it is well-known that radiation has energy density. If the energy density is denoted by u, then special relativity implies that the electromagnetic radiation has a mass density [tex]\rho[/tex] given by

[tex]\rho = u/c^{2}[/tex]

To my knowledge nobody has ever actually "weighed" electrogmagnetic radiation in any way, but the theoretical evidence in favor of Eq. (7.3) is overwhelming - light does have mass. (Nonetheless, the photon has zero rest mass, ...)
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