How Do You Solve a Train Speed Problem with a Snow-Drift Interruption?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a train speed problem involving a delay caused by a snow-drift. Participants explore how to determine the initial speed of the train given the conditions of the problem, which includes a change in speed after a delay. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques relevant to high school physics and mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Mathematical reasoning, Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and expresses uncertainty about how to approach it, noting the lack of total time and questioning whether there are two unknowns to solve.
  • Another participant suggests letting the required time be T and proposes finding separate times for the two parts of the motion, factoring in the delay due to the snow-drift.
  • A mathematical formulation is provided by a participant, indicating the relationship between distance, speed, and time, which includes the delay and the increased speed after the snow-drift.
  • One participant notes the implicit assumption that the initial speed of the train was exactly the right speed to arrive on time, highlighting a potential common-sense assumption that is not explicitly stated in the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the approach to solving the problem, as different methods and assumptions are proposed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the assumption regarding the initial speed necessary for timely arrival, which is not explicitly stated in the problem. There may also be unresolved mathematical steps in the proposed solutions.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and educators interested in high school-level physics and mathematics problem-solving, particularly in the context of motion and speed calculations.

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Hi everyone, I am new to these forums and thought this would be a good place to get some help.

I picked up a three dollar russian made math problem book at a local book sale. I am working on the questions it has in it and I came across the first problem on motion it has and I can't quite figure it out. This is high-school level stuff by the way so I would hope its easy for many here.

Problem:

The train left station A for station B. Having traveled 450 km, which constitues 75 percent of the distance between A and B, the train was stopped by a snow-drift. Half an hour later the track was cleared and the engine-driver, having increased the speed by 15 km per hour arrived at station B on time. Find the initial speed of the train.

I have tried to visualize the problem. This is what I have come up with.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/markroxas/motionproblem1.GIF"

The question has no total time and you have to find speed. So are there two unknowns to solve? And how do I do that in this problem? Or is there a different way to solve this? Thanks for any help.
 
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Let the required time be T

If there would have been no problem due to snow then the train wud have reached the station B in time T

Now find sepearate times for two part of motion arising dua to a break of 0.5 hr + the time for break equate it will T
 
Mathematical Form

[tex]\frac{D}{v}=\frac{3D}{4v}+\frac{D}{4(v+15)}+ 0.5[/tex]
 
Note that this problem does require an assumption that is not explicitly stated in the problem discription (but which could however be quite reasonably argued as being "common sense"). The assumption of course is that the inital speed of the train was precisely the correct speed to make the train arrive at the destination exactly on time.
 

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