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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of a linear transformation T applied to the set of functions C^2, specifically focusing on the transformation that maps a function to its second derivative. Participants explore the implications of this transformation, particularly concerning its kernel and the conditions under which it is well-defined.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines a linear transformation T: C^2 > C^2 by T(f) = f'', questioning the kernel of this transformation.
  • Another participant challenges the definition of C^2 and the mapping, suggesting that the transformation does not adhere to the usual definitions.
  • A different participant explains that the kernel consists of functions whose second derivatives are zero, noting that this includes certain types of polynomials and hints at a more complex proof involving the mean value theorem.
  • One participant argues that the transformation is not well-defined for functions lacking a third derivative, emphasizing the need for continuity in the second derivative.
  • A later reply reflects on the previous comments, suggesting that the original question could be valid if rephrased to avoid the identified issues.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the definition of C^2 and the validity of the transformation T. There is no consensus on the implications of the transformation or the nature of its kernel.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the continuity of derivatives and the definitions of function spaces involved, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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let C^2 be the set of functions with domain R with have first and second derivatives at all points. Defind a linear transformation T: C^2 > C^2 by T(f) = f'', in other words, each input function is mapped to its second derivative function.
what is the kernel of this transformation?
 
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that isn't the usual definition of C^2, and moreover the map you define isn't a map from C^2 to C^2, but apart from that...
 
the kernel is the set of vectors, in this case functions, that are mapped to the zero vector, in this case the zero function.

so your question is the same as asking you to list all functions whose second derivatives are zero. one direction is pretty easy: it's a certain type of polynomial. the other direction, proving that those are the only ones with vanishing second derivatives, is a bit harder and the easiest way i can think of to prove that is to apply the mean value theorem twice (or rolle's theorem).
 
it genuinely is more delicate than that - the map given is not well defined. Let f be a function that does not have a third derivative, but has the first two, then T(f) is not in C^2 (there ought to be a constraint on the second derivative being continuous too) T is a map from C^{n+2} to C^{n}. Example: integrate |x| twice the resulting function is twice continuously differentiable, but its image under T is not in C^2, hell it's not even in C^1
 
hmm... i guess i overestimated the power of underestimation.
 
if the question were rephrased to sidestep these issues then what you did is valid
 

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