Finding Solutions to y^x = x^y

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the equation y^x = x^y, exploring both trivial and non-trivial solutions. Participants are seeking methods to find a general solution and discussing the implications of the equation in both real and complex domains.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants identify trivial solutions, such as y = x and y^{y^y} = y^{y^2}.
  • One participant expresses certainty about the existence of non-trivial solutions and seeks methods to obtain a general solution.
  • Another participant requests clarification on the method that could yield a general solution.
  • A participant mentions having seen a method before but cannot recall it, affirming the existence of non-trivial solutions.
  • A detailed approach is presented involving the transformation of the equation into logarithmic form, leading to the conclusion that f(x) = x^{1/x} has two inverses for certain values, suggesting a family of non-trivial solutions.
  • Complex solutions are noted to be more complicated due to the multi-valued nature of fractional roots in the complex domain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of trivial solutions, while the existence and methods for finding non-trivial solutions remain contested and unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the positivity of x and y, and acknowledges the complexity introduced when considering negative values and complex solutions, which are not fully resolved.

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For the equation:

[tex]y^x = x^y[/tex]

There are several trivial solutions:

such as:

[tex]y = x[/tex]

and a further set of trivial solutions for:

[tex]y^{y^y} = y^{y^2}[/tex]

Now I know for a fact there are also sevral non-trivial solutions and there is a method thta could possibly obtain a
general solution, so does anyone here know how to obtian a general solution or if not suggest other sets of solutions?
 
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can you show the method that possibly give a general solution?

i know for sure that some users at scienceforums.net will be glad to know the solution.
 
I have seen the method before and a few non-trivial solutions obtained from it, but unfortunately I cannot remember it or even it's name.

As I said before their most definitely does exist non-trivial solutions to this equation which some might be interetsed to know.
 
Originally posted by jcsd
For the equation:

[tex]y^x = x^y[/tex]

does anyone here know how to obtian a general solution or if not suggest other sets of solutions?

[tex]y^x=x^y[/tex]
[tex]xlny=ylnx[/tex] (assuming x and y are > 0 )
[tex]\frac{ln x}{x}=\frac{ln y}{y}[/tex] (x and y are non-zero by assumption above)
[tex]x^{\frac{1}{x}}=y^{\frac{1}{y}}[/tex]

Now , in the reals, for positive [tex]x[/tex]
[tex]f(x)=x^{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex] has two inverses for any [tex]f(x) \in (1,e^{\frac{1}{e}})[/tex] which leads to a family of non-trivial solutions. For example:
2 and 4 or 3 and 2.47779..

Fractional roots in the complex domain are multi-valued, so things get a bit more complicated if this approach is applied for x,y < 0.
[tex]x^y=y^x[/tex]
[tex]e^{ylnx}=e^{xlny}[/tex]
[tex]ylnx=xlny + n2\pi i[/tex]
Since the natural long in complex numbers has multiple branches, things get a bit sticky here, but there are probably additional complex solutions.
 

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