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| May14-07, 08:59 PM | #86 |
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What to do about Iraq
There was a very interesting documentary on the History channel last week. It was titled Saddam and The Third Reich. It shows how the Baath party closely followed the Nazi party philosophy.
Ironically the USA supported the Baath party when the Iraqi government became influenced by the communists. A DVD is available online. The entire documentary is on youtube in ten minute segments. It was a great history lesson for me, others may not need one. The first segment is below. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64uyiRc7jF0 |
| May14-07, 11:06 PM | #87 |
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i remember watching meet the press when dick cheney first appeared spouting off about centrifuges and refinement :/ and because of that disinformation and everyones passive paranoia you now have the real problem of people not forgetting getting invaded, crapped on and most likely left hanging. honestly i expect another world trade center type event to happen, you'll find not many willing to go back to the middle east to fight the same war again. it'll be a waiting game and the US will lose unless they fix the situation, it takes a long time for people to forget and they'll raise their children with hidden hatred that you won't see but you'll feel.
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| May16-07, 12:43 PM | #88 |
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What Went Wrong with the Rebuilding of Iraq?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=10204557 Never before have so few made so much for doing so little. One has to wonder how many new millionsaires there are because of the war. |
| May20-07, 04:38 PM | #89 |
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A good debate between Dodd and Gingrich on the first half of Meet The Press this morning.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032608/ |
| May26-07, 09:21 AM | #90 |
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U.S. Spy Agencies Warned of Iraqi Sects, Panel Says
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=10451407 It also occurred to me that Bush and his administration have been careful to remove dissent, or anyone who disagreed with their views/intents to wage war in Iraq. |
| May27-07, 03:25 AM | #91 |
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This is a terribly difficult situation. I can listen to either side of the debate and see that each makes great points, but with no definitive way to make a judgement.
At least now they are starting to talk about either leaving, or sending in 300,000 more troops like we should have done in the first place. Of course the number originally suggested and tossed out by Bush and Rummy was 500,000 troops. Again and again I have to ask, if this "war on terror" that we are allegedly fighting in Iraq is REALLY such a great threat to the U.S., then why don't we get serious and call for a draft? I have a very hard time understanding how so much could be at stake, yet we don't even flip the war switch and act like it's serious. |
| Jun7-07, 11:00 AM | #92 |
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This doesn't really surprise me but when I read the article on page 4 of my local paper I thought that it was more newsworthy than, "Paris Hilton Goes To Jail", which was on page 1.
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| Jun8-07, 08:41 PM | #93 |
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Joint Chiefs Shuffle: Gen. Pace Out; Adm. Mullen In
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=10876225 by Robert Siegel and Guy Raz |
| Jun14-07, 07:10 PM | #94 |
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Pentagon Report Shows Violence in Iraq at a High
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11043078 by Renee Montagne and Guy Raz I would very much like Petreaus to succeed, but he needs an effective Iraqi government, and I seriously wonder if that is possible given the sectarian conflict. Sunni, U.S. Leaders Unite Against Al-Qaida in Ramadi http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11086554 by Rachel Martin Some Mosques Attacked, but Iraq Relatively Calm http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11067921 ![]() And some people need to stop preaching violence.
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| Jun15-07, 02:12 PM | #95 |
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I heard ppl talk about the US govt arming sunni militia , does this make any sense at all?
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| Jun15-07, 03:26 PM | #96 |
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U.S. Arming Sunnis in Iraq to Battle Old Qaeda Allies http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/wo...st/11iraq.html |
| Jun15-07, 04:36 PM | #97 |
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While this sounds like a strategy with some merit, as presented, it is an official capitulation to the desires of the Saudis, who have been financing Sunnis and have been pressuring the US to force the Iraqi government to give Sunnis a larger role in the government. The Saudis are throttling oil production to drive up the prices (and their profits) and are now maneuvering this administration into financing the same groups that have been responsible for the killing of many, many US troops. Follow the money.
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| Jun15-07, 05:35 PM | #98 |
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And the Saudis, or those who support the royal family and the status, are opposed to al Qaida.
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| Jun19-07, 06:26 PM | #99 |
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Journalist Thomas Ricks on the Latest from Iraq
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=11186451 |
| Jun20-07, 12:37 PM | #100 |
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Sorry, I have not studied this thread, so it may have been discussed already but perhaps it's good to mention it. I have been at a course / informal seminar about this recently and spoke with several people who have been in ISAF units several time and their observations are unaminous. The US Army fighting machine is excellent at winning wars but the characteristics which are needed for that, are highly unsuitable for winning the peace.
The suggestions of the movies that GI's are turned into aggressive procedure robots, apparantly emotionless with no initiative, has been confirmed in reality. It seems that if you happen to run into a moving Army convoy from behind, at at a certain distance, the guns are aimed at you, regardless if you drive a clearly marked ISAF vehicle. Inquiry after that behavior revealed: "standard operating procedures". That's not really reassuring for the locals. There are other armies over there in that region, who do not routinely carry the guns Rambo-like ready to fire. Neither do they wear sunglasses unable to make eye contact for non-verbal communication. Instead they talk with the local people, show sympathy and emotion, do them little favors, assisting in cleaning up the mess and rebuilding schools and hospitals. Might that make the difference? |
| Jun20-07, 01:07 PM | #101 |
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That was the plan all along. We have already spent billions rebuilding the infrastructure, but with the constant attacks on US troops and the oil supply, which was supposed to help fund the rebuilding, we can't make much progress.
It's a little tough to put down your gun when people are shooting at you and taking out check points with car bombs. This all falls squarely on the Bush admin and their terrible mismanagement of this unnecessary war. Many Americans believe that this is the worst foreign policy disaster in US history - I believe there can be no doubt about this any longer. It is a disaster. We are infinitely sympathetic to the innocent people caught in the middle of this, but soldiers become hardened with time, and most of our soldiers have been there far longer than is reasonable. It is estimated that 30% of the returning troops have psychological problems due to the sustained trauma of warfare. |
| Jun20-07, 01:33 PM | #102 |
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The problem is the threat and violence spiral up. Immediately after the war part of the war, the locals were grateful for the termination of the dictatorial regime. It won't help exploiting that further with un-communicating sunglasses with loaded guns, driving around in tanks. most certainly one could have expected terrorist retalliation. But it would make a huge difference if the locals saw the GI as liberaters rather than yet another round of oppression.
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