Origin of Matter: Orthodox Scientific View?

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The discussion revolves around the question of whether there is an orthodox scientific view on the origin of matter or if this topic is inherently metaphysical. Participants explore various aspects of the Big Bang theory, the nature of matter, and the limitations of current scientific understanding regarding the earliest moments of the universe.

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  • Some participants propose that the Big Bang (BB) marks the beginning of matter, with anything prior being inconsequential to our universe.
  • There is a delineation of eras following the BB, detailing the emergence of particles and matter over time, including the heavy particle era, light particle era, radiation era, and matter era.
  • One participant questions the depth of the BB hypothesis, suggesting it may be simplistic and inquiring whether matter could have arisen post-BB through mechanisms like quantum fluctuations.
  • Another participant notes the inability to know what occurred in the first ~10^-43 seconds due to the conflict between quantum mechanics and general relativity, leaving open the possibility of unknown matter creation during that time.
  • It is mentioned that while the initial burst of energy converted into matter is a complex issue, existing theories suggest that only a small fraction of energy was converted into matter, raising questions about the symmetry between matter and antimatter.
  • Some participants express skepticism about whether science can ultimately answer the question of the origin of matter, while others suggest that there may be emerging scientific perspectives that could address it in the future.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether there is an orthodox scientific view regarding the origin of matter. There are competing views on the extent to which science can address this question, with some asserting that it remains unresolved.

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The discussion highlights limitations in current scientific theories, particularly regarding the earliest moments of the universe, and the unresolved nature of the relationship between energy, matter, and antimatter.

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Is there an orthodox scientific view on the origin of matter or is this invariably considered to be a metaphysical question?
 
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Originally posted by Canute
Is there an orthodox scientific view on the origin of matter or is this invariably considered to be a metaphysical question?

AS far as i know there was a Bang. Anything before that is incosequential, as it could not have affected our universe.
 
There is an fairly accepted delineation of particles and matter arising as time went forward after the BB. Deemed the four eras it breaks down like this:

Heavy particle era , time < 10-6 s, large particles and anti- particles appear
Light particles, T<10^-6
Radiation, T<300 secs.
Matter, T >1 million years.
 
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I've got that bit thanks. But is there anything more to the BB hypothesis than a rabbit coming out of a hat, and is it thought that any matter has come into being since the BB (via quantum fluctuations etc.).
 
Well, just for starters, we cannot know what happened in the first ~10-43 s, because our two highly successful theories of physics (QM/Standard Model and General Relativity) are in conflict during this period. Maybe vast amounts of matter were created? We have no way to tell until we have a theory that can address that first Planck time.
 
If your strictly asking of the origin of matter, it is not a such an unobtainable question as the initial burst of energy converted itself into matter according to rules that we already know, If you aknowledge we can't exactely explain the broken symmetry between matter and anti-matter. An interesting note is only something like 1 out of billion parts of energy got converted into matter.

It is the initial burst of energy that is a tough one, however, there are no shortage of intriguing theories and ideas out there. I would suggest you get a couple books on cosmology.
 
Thanks. I'm aware of most of the theories of post BB expansion etc. , (very roughly). I was just checking if there was any 'orthodox' view or conjecture (or any scientific view at all) on how it all got started.

I know that this is not a question science can answer, but I wondered if there was any consensus on what kind of answer it might have. I assume not, but am still checking.
 
Canute: I know that this is not a question science can answer, but I wondered if there was any consensus on what kind of answer it might have. I assume not, but am still checking.
Not so fast! There are a number of people - including several PF members - who can give you good reasons to think that it is a question which science may be able to answer (but not just yet). If you look at the Strings section of Physics you'll see much discussion of two possibles; the Astronomy & Cosmology section also has much discussion.
 
I'll do that.
 

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