Determining Wave Direction using Doppler Effect

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The discussion revolves around determining the direction of a traveling wave described by the equation cos(ax+/-bt). Participants explore methods to ascertain whether the wave is moving in a positive or negative direction, with a focus on the Doppler Effect and wave phase analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster suggests using the Doppler Effect to determine the wave's direction based on frequency changes. Another participant introduces a mathematical approach involving the wave's phase to deduce the direction of wave velocity.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with different methods to determine wave direction. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Doppler Effect and phase analysis, with acknowledgment that both approaches are valid. There is a light-hearted exchange about the relative simplicity of the methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the distinction between light waves and other types of waves, indicating that additional considerations may apply depending on the wave type.

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I have a question regarding waves which has been bugging me for a while:

"You are given a traveling wave with an equation of the form
cos(ax+/-bt)
where x and t are position and time as usual, a and b are positive numbers. Explain how you would physically determine the direction that the wave is traveling in"


Here are my ideas:

I'm assuming that we only need to determine the 'direction' ie positive or negative direction in which the wave is traveling, so it's one dimensional. This means we can use the Doppler Effect. If we choose an arbitrary direction on the line to travel, the direction which gives an apparently lower frequency than expected is going away from the source, and the direction which gives a higher frequency is going towards the source. Since the wave always travels away from the source, we can determine the direction of wave propagation.

Is this right?
 
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The Doppler effect is one way to do it, but don't forget that if we are talking about something other than light waves, we have to transform the velocity of the wave as well.

A more straightforward way of doing it would be to note that, for plane waves, the phase of the wave is a constant[/color]. From this, we can deduce the direction of the wave velocity.

y(x,t)=cos(kx+ωt)
kx+ωt=constant
k(dx/dt)+ω=0
dx/dt=-ω/k

Since dx/dt<0, this wave is traveling in the negative x-direction.

y(x,t)=cos(kx-&omega;t)
kx-&omega;t=constant
k(dx/dt)-&omega;=0
dx/dt=+&omega;/k

Since dx/dt>0, this wave is traveling in the positive x-direction.
 
cheers tom :smile:

so would that be considered a physical way of determining the direction of the wave?
 
Yes, it would--but so would yours.

The difference is, my way would be considered the easy way! :wink:
 

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