How great the world would be without bombs

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The discussion revolves around the implications and contributions of bombs to various fields, including technology and science. Participants explore whether the existence of bombs has led to beneficial advancements, particularly in aerodynamics, demolition, and nuclear research.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the notion of a world without bombs and suggests that bombs may have contributed positively to nuclear technology and other inventions.
  • Another participant notes that research in airplane aerodynamics has been influenced by bomb technology, particularly regarding wing design and flutter resistance.
  • A different viewpoint highlights the role of explosives like TNT in demolition and construction, emphasizing their necessity for tasks such as tunneling through solid rock.
  • One participant presents a complex argument linking the physics of nuclear explosions to cosmic phenomena, suggesting that the universe's behavior can be analogized to a massive bomb detonation, while also discussing the historical context of element discovery related to nuclear tests.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the contributions of bombs, with no clear consensus on whether their benefits outweigh the negative implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall impact of bombs on society and technology.

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Some claims rely on specific historical examples and scientific observations that may not be universally accepted or understood. The discussion includes speculative connections between nuclear physics and cosmic events, which may require further clarification or evidence.

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You know that saying, "imagine how great the world would be without bombs"?

Would it be great?

Bombs must have had to have helped nuclear technology or mankind in some way.

I know guns have lead to important inventions.

I was wondering if you could tell me what some of those inventions are.
 
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Tons of airplane and aerodynamics research has been done because of bombs.

Wings are more resistant to flutter when bombs (or engines) are placed underneath and forward. I'm not sure, but it's possible the phenomena was first observed when wind-tunnel tests were done with bombs under the wings.
 
Don't forget demolition - not just buildings, but how the heck do you dig a tunnel through solid rock without TNT?

RE: nuclear. Nuclear bomb and power research went hand in hand at the beginning. Each benefited the other.
 
The universe is better described, according to the latest observations of the Hubble expansion rate from distant supernovae flashes, as a 10^55 megaton bomb detonation for times beyond 3 minutes. Obviously the initial energy release mechanism is different from a fission bomb, although the creation of the heavy elements in supsequent star explosions has some similarities to hydrogen bomb capture reactions. If you look up the history of elements 99 and 100, you see both were isolated first from fallout of the 10 megaton Mike shot at Eniwetok in 1952.

Later, they were duplicated in the laboratory. Successive neutron captures in supernovae explosions created the elements iron and calcium, as well as uranium, found in nature. People moan about nuclear explosion physics without understanding how useful it was in making them. There is also a general misunderstanding about the nuclear radiation environment in space. People seem to think that the radiation level on the moon, which lacks the 10 metres of water (equivalent) radiation shield of the Earth's atmosphere, is less than that on the earth, whereas it was actually found to be something like 100 times higher due to cosmic rays. The universe is basically a nuclear explosion, and this is covered up by force-fitting General Relativity to the Hubble constant, instead of scaling the universe to a nuclear explosion in space such as the starfish detonation at 400 km altitude in 1962. The U.S. Defence Dept has a lot of responsibility for excessive secrecy, since it has spent millions developing computer simulations for nuclear explosions in a vacuum. (see http://members.lycos.co.uk/nigelbryancook/ for more)
 

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