Magnetic Experiment: Opposites Attract?

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The discussion revolves around an experiment involving the interaction of different types of magnets, specifically a rectangular ceramic magnet and a coin-shaped neodymium magnet. Participants explore the unexpected behavior observed when the magnets are brought close together, questioning the conventional understanding of magnetic attraction and repulsion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment where a ceramic magnet with north polarity up repels a neodymium magnet with north polarity down initially, but they can be made to attract with a push.
  • Another participant suggests that the magnetic fields of differently shaped magnets are complex and may not conform to simple attraction/repulsion rules.
  • A participant notes that when a third magnet is approached, the coin magnet is released from the ceramic magnet, likening it to a catapult effect.
  • Concerns are raised about the orientation of the magnetic poles, with a participant recalling their experience with AlNiCo disk magnets that had poles on the edge rather than on the faces.
  • One participant emphasizes that the coin magnet can only attach to a small central region of the ceramic magnet, indicating a strong repulsion outside this area.
  • Another participant encourages experimentation by flipping the magnets to observe changes in behavior, suggesting that the poles may not be where expected.
  • A later reply confirms that flipping the ceramic magnet allows the coin magnet to be attracted across the entire surface, including the edges, which raises questions about the initial assumptions regarding pole locations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the magnetic interactions observed, with some agreeing on the complexity of the magnetic fields involved while others propose different explanations for the behavior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the magnetic poles and their effects.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for careful consideration of the orientation and shape of the magnets, as well as the specific regions where attraction and repulsion occur. There are indications that assumptions about pole locations may be incorrect, but these remain unverified.

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Hi all
a few days ago a friend of mine show my this experiment, that i can't explain

he took a rectangular ceramic magnet dim 2" x 2" x 1" and put on a table with north polarity up, next he took a coin shape neodymium magnet with nort polarity down and begin to approach to the big . In the beginning , there is a repulsion , but with a little push the coin magnet can be attached to the big

how is it possible, not we were saying, opposites atract and similars repel?
 
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The magnetic fields caused by magnets shaped that way are not as simple as the basic bar magnet field you're used to seeing. I'd bet the magnets stuck together a little off-center, right?

- Warren
 
not only that

and to finish my tale, i'll tell you that when you have the two magnets stucked, if you approach slowly a third magnet of similar power than ceramic, the coin magnet is released to a distance of at least 0.5 feets, like a catapult. Very interesting
 
How sure are you that the poles were axial? I had some AlNiCo disk magnets that had poles on the edge of the disk rather than one face N and the other S. Of course, that is not what I wanted, but I only found out about it when I saw how they stuck together.
 
try it

the coin magnet can only be attached to a little region in the center of the ceramic magnet with dimension similar to the coin. Outside this region the magnet is strongly repeled and is impossible to do that.

why don't try it?Its easy to replicate

thks
 
Two different people have already told you what is happening, no one is doubting what you are seeing. The poles are not the two faces of the plate but the the center and the edge. turn your plate magnet over. What happens now? Should be the same as the other side. Flip you "coin" magnet over? What happens?

Try approaching the edge of the magnet with your "coin", what happens?
 
turn magnet

when i turn big magnet the "coin" is attracted hardly over all the surface INCLUDING the edge. Does it agree with your idea?
 

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