Rearranging Formula with t as Subject - Grace

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The discussion revolves around rearranging a formula to isolate the variable t, specifically in the context of a physics problem involving a ball bearing rolling off a table. The original formula presented is d = vit + 1/2at^2, which is identified as a quadratic equation in t.

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  • Participants explore the rearrangement of the quadratic equation and discuss the implications of the variables involved. There is also a consideration of the physical context of the problem, including the initial velocity, acceleration, and distance fallen.

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Some participants have provided insights into the quadratic formula and its application to the problem. Others have raised questions about the relevance of certain parameters, such as the horizontal distance, in determining the time of fall. The discussion includes various interpretations of the problem setup.

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Participants note that the problem involves specific values for initial velocity, acceleration due to gravity, and distance, while also questioning the necessity of certain information provided in the problem statement.

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Hey guys,

I'm new here and I need help on rearranging a formula so that t is the subject.

d = vit+1/2at*2

How do you use LAtex software?

thanks

Grace:smile:
 
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A thread on LaTeX as it applies to physicsforums.com.

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8997

After that, I just read through this little thing,

http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/info/lshort/english/lshort.pdf

and I was pretty much set.

That being said, onto your question. I assume you meant:

[tex]d = v_it + \frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex].

This is a quadratic equation in the variable t. Rewrite it this way:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}at^2 + v_it - d = 0[/tex]
which corresponds to, when compared to the general quadratic equation of the form
[tex]\alpha x^2 + \beta x + \gamma = 0[/tex]

[tex]\alpha = \frac{1}{2}a[/tex]
[tex]\beta = v_i[/tex]
[tex]\gamma = -d[/tex]
[tex]x = t[/tex]

which can be solved with:

[tex]x = \frac{-\beta \pm \sqrt{\beta^2 - 4\alpha\gamma}}{2\alpha}[/tex]

It was a good exercise in LaTeX! Now you try.

cookiemonster
 
Okay, the problem involving the formula was a ball bearing rolling off a table. The table was 80cm high. The ball bearing landed 64cm from the edge of the table and I have to work out how long it took to do so.

vi=0
a=-9.8ms-2
d=64cm
t=?

0-2.9-64/-9.8 = okay... the answer is meant to be 0.40 s

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Average velocity equals half of terminal velocity

Originally posted by physicsgirl_nz
Okay, the problem involving the formula was a ball bearing rolling off a table. The table was 80cm high. The ball bearing landed 64cm from the edge of the table and I have to work out how long it took to do so.

vi=0
a=-9.8ms-2
d=64cm
t=?

0-2.9-64/-9.8 = okay... the answer is meant to be 0.40 s
If you're only looking for the answer of how long it took for the bearing to travel from the very edge of the table to the floor, then it seems to me that the 64cm horizontal-distance figure would be extraneous to the problem (distractor information).


Since average vertical speed over the course of the fall is going to be half of the terminal speed (assuming constant downward acceleration), and the speed at any given moment is 9.8 m/s * the number of seconds travelled...
http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/1DKin/U1L5b.html

...we can easily check the 0.40 s answer you came up with.


In .4 s, the bearing would have reached a terminal downward speed of .4 * 9.8 m/s = 3.92 m/s.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=.4+*+9.8+m/s

The average downward speed over that .4 s would be half of the terminal speed (since the acceleration was constant). .5 * 3.92 m/s = 1.96 m/s. Taking that average speed of 1.96 m/s and multiplying by .4 seconds gives us .4 * 1.96 = a distance fallen of 0.784 meters (78.4 centimeters).


Since the problem stated that the vertical distance fallen was .80 meters (80 centimeters), your answer of 0.40 s is pretty close.





-Chris
 
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Thanks guys:smile:
 

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