What happens to the energy when we accelerate and decelerate objects?

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The discussion revolves around the energy transformations that occur when objects are accelerated and decelerated. Participants explore the concepts of kinetic energy, potential energy, and the role of forces in these processes, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects of energy conservation and transformation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that energy cannot disappear and question where energy goes when an object is accelerated and then brought to a halt.
  • Others clarify that acceleration involves changes in kinetic energy and that energy can transform into heat during deceleration.
  • A participant suggests that the energy could be transformed into potential energy, particularly when using a spring to stop an object.
  • It is noted that the direction of acceleration relative to velocity can affect whether kinetic energy is added, removed, or remains unchanged.
  • Some participants discuss the work done on the object during acceleration and the work done by the object during deceleration, proposing that this perspective changes the understanding of energy transformation.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between momentum and kinetic energy, with one participant stating that they are not the same but related through mathematical expressions.
  • Another participant mentions that stopping an object requires roughly the same amount of energy as starting it, highlighting the conversion of chemical energy to heat in human effort.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of energy transformation during acceleration and deceleration, with no consensus reached on the specifics of energy loss or transformation mechanisms. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of energy changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different mechanisms of stopping an object, such as using springs or friction, but do not resolve the implications of these mechanisms on energy transformation. The discussion also touches on the nuances of kinetic energy and momentum without fully clarifying their relationship.

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Energy cannot disappear as we all know, but then I wonder: If we put force to an object and make it go at a high speed, and then put force to it to make it go back to a halt. Where did the energy go? We used force at acceleration and deceleration, but we only got a change in position for the object. Surely the energy is not lost. (of course we cannot retrieve the energy by forcing the object back in its initial position)
 
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Jarle said:
but we only got a change in position for the object.

What do you mean by this? Remember that acceleration is a vector quantity, and also that v=0 does not imply a=0, and so in your case you have a change in acceleration.
 
When you make something to go at a high speed, you give it some kinetic energy. When you try to stop it, the energy normally turns into heat, another type of energy.
 
cristo, what I meant was the we accelerate the object and then decelerate it to a complete halt, so it has no change in velocity at the end. A change in acceleration is a good explanation of transformation of energy to me, if we only accelerated it once, but then decelerating it (accelerating) til stop again, I don't see where the energy has gone.

haiha: So it must turn to some sort of energy, for example heat you say?
 
Accelerating an object can add KE or remove KE, depending upon the direction of the acceleration compared to the velocity of the object. (It can even leave the KE unchanged, if the accelerating force remains perpendicular to the velocity--like something twirled in a circle.)

Of course, if you add or remove KE, that energy must come (or go) from somewhere.
 
You did work on the object when accelerating it. The object did work on you when decelerating it.

Think of it this way: compress a spring, doing work to store potential energy in the spring. Now use that spring to accelerate your object.

Quickly run around in front of the object, place your spring in front of it and use the spring to slow it. Ignoring resistance or any kind of friction, the kinetic energy in the object will be exactly enough to compress the spring back to where it was before. If you don't like the idea of "running around in front of the object", imagine two different but identical springs. Same thing happens. Net result, you did work to compress a spring initially, and now you are back in that same situation. No energy change.
 
Jarle said:
Energy cannot disappear as we all know, but then I wonder: If we put force to an object and make it go at a high speed, and then put force to it to make it go back to a halt. Where did the energy go? We used force at acceleration and deceleration, but we only got a change in position for the object. Surely the energy is not lost. (of course we cannot retrieve the energy by forcing the object back in its initial position)

The answer here is that the kinetic energy you put into the object was later transformed either into potential energy somewhere else, or into heat. For example, if you use a spring to stop the object, the kinetic energy from the formerly moving object will be transformed into spring kinetic energy. Or if you stop an object by friction (or some other non-conservative force), then the kinetic energy will be lost to friction. I could give slightly different answers based on the mechanism used to stop the object, but this is the basic idea.
 
You did work on the object when accelerating it. The object did work on you when decelerating it.
So it's actually just a wrong perspective of seeing it from the beginning. I see it now. Does momentum count as energy, or more particulary: Is momentum kinetic energy?
 
Yes and no. They are not the same thing. However, you may notice that momentum "p" is the derivative of kinetic energy with respect to velocity:

[tex]\[<br /> \begin{array}{l}<br /> E_k = {\textstyle{1 \over 2}}mv^2 \\ <br /> p = mv \\ <br /> \end{array}<br /> \][/tex]
 
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I see, thanks.
 
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Also, if you give something (like a car) a push, then run around to the other side of it and stop it, you'll expend roughly the same amount of energy stopping it as you did in starting it moving, since your muscles aren't springs.

In Hurkyl's example with the springs, the end result looks exactly like a mirror image of the initial setup and you're back to zero as if nothing had happened. In an example with a person, you've converted a lot of chemical energy to heat.

And to meet the two in the middle, if you use the car's engines to proved the push then the brakes to provide the stopping, it works exactly the same from an energy standpoint as if all the engine's initial energy input had been turned directly to heat.
 
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