The difference between system equili and system and steady state

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differences between a system at equilibrium and a system at steady-state, particularly in the context of fluid mechanics. Participants also touch upon the concepts of saturated and unsaturated hydraulic conductivity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that equilibrium occurs at equal rates, resulting in no net change, but expresses confusion regarding the concept of steady state.
  • Another participant suggests that equilibrium may refer to the continuity equation, indicating equal flow rates into and out of a volume.
  • A mathematical definition of steady state is provided, stating that the time derivative of any fluid property A is zero.
  • One participant proposes that steady state can be defined as a condition where the power (rate of change of energy) is constant.
  • There is a request for clarification on the difference between saturated and unsaturated hydraulic conductivity, indicating a lack of understanding among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views on the definitions and implications of equilibrium and steady state, and it remains unresolved as participants express varying interpretations and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical definitions and concepts from fluid mechanics, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the application of these definitions in specific contexts.

hi
Can anyone explain the difference between a system at equilibrium and a system at steady-state water flow?

I know that equilibrium occurs at equal rates, no net change is produced. But I don't understand steady state system...Please explain it to me... Thanks


also the difference between saturated and unsaturated hydraulic conductivity? I have hard time to understand these stuffs.. If anyone know these stuffs, can u please explain it to me. Thanks.
 
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Equilibrium: dU/dx = 0 (usually this happens at extrema of potential energy).
 
Originally posted by hi
I know that equilibrium occurs at equal rates, no net change is produced.

OK, at first I thought you meant the "zero force" condition, but now I am thinking that you are referring to the continuity equation. That is because when you say "equal rates", it makes me think of "equal flow rates into and out of a volume".

So, that statement of equilibrium would be:

[nab].j+∂ρ/∂t=0

But I don't understand steady state system...Please explain it to me... Thanks

I dug up the old Fluid Mechanics book (it's been about 10 years!) and looked up the mathematical definition of steady state. It is...

∂A/∂t=0

for any fluid property A. That would include the density ρ, which reduces the continuity equation to:

[nab].j=0

also the difference between saturated and unsaturated hydraulic conductivity? I have hard time to understand these stuffs.. If anyone know these stuffs, can u please explain it to me. Thanks.

This I don't know. Our local "fluids" guy is Enigma; try sending him a PM.

edit: fixed ∂ signs.
 
I would call steady state a state at which power (rate of chande of energy dU/dt) is constant.
 

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