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| Mar30-07, 02:08 AM | #1 |
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A question on sequence of functions.
i have the follow question:
Does there exist a continuous function g:R->R that is not periodic, and for every sequence of real numbers {a_k} the sequence of functions g_k(x)=g(x+a_k) has a subsequence converging uniformly on R. i think i found a suitable function, i just need to be sure it's fine: i defined g_k(x)=g(x)=sin(e^x) this function isn't periodic, but if i use Arzela-Ascoli lemma in here, then first of all, this function is uniformly bounded by 1, and i can show that it's equicontinuous, i mean all i need to show is that: for every e'>0, there exist d>0, such that for every x,y in R whihc satisfy |x-y|<d and for every n then |f_k(x)-f_k(y)|<e'. here i can use the fact that |sin(e^(a_k+x))-sin(e^(a_k+y))|<=|e^a_k||e^x-e^y| e^a_k converges, and e^x is continuous, so we can prove the equality from this, am i correct? thanks in advance. |
| Mar30-07, 03:02 AM | #2 |
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now when i look at this again, i dont think my example is correct, cause im not guaranteed that e^(a_k) converges at all.
so can you find an example or the answer that there isnt one function such as this. |
| Mar30-07, 05:25 AM | #3 |
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Let's suppose any continuous function with extra properties will do.
If the a_k are bounded, then they have a convergent subsequence, so use that. If not, then either a subsequence tends to +infty or -infty, so use that. They're the only obviously 'nice' looking subsequences. Now, can we use a nice function like g(x)=exp(-x^2) to do anything? I chose that because it is bounded, which seems like the least you need for g, and tends to zero as |x| tends to infinty. |
| Mar30-07, 05:43 AM | #4 |
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A question on sequence of functions.
well, i think i need to expand the function youve given to include also the point x=0, which is no problem cause we can define it as f(0)=0 and otherwise f(x)=exp(-x^2).
obviously this function is continuous, the only question is, is it equicontinuous, well let's look at the difference: |e^-(x+a_k)^2-e^-(y+a_k)^2|=|e^(-(a_k)^2)|*|e^-(x^2+2xa_k)-e^-(y^2+2ya_k)| basically i dont think i have got matters simpler cause now i have x^2+2xa_k in the exponent in the absolute brackets. |
| Mar30-07, 06:44 AM | #5 |
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Why is exp(-x^2) not defined (and equal to 1) at zero?
I had to google equicontinuous. It seems you mistyped something above - a sequence of functions is equicontinuous. You made it sound like a function was equicontinuous, which confused me. |
| Mar30-07, 08:37 AM | #6 |
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yes i thought it was e^-1/x^2. my mistake, sorry.
anyway, back to topic. how should i prove that e^-x^2 fits the criteria in my question? obvoulsy it's uniformly bounded, but the second is what's bugging me. thanks in advance. |
| Mar30-07, 08:47 AM | #7 |
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Hey Matt, he's trying to prove that a sequence of FUNCTIONS (arbitrary translates of the original function) converge. Sounds like you are going to have a hard time finding such a function. You can't apply Arzela-Ascoli because R isn't compact. (If g is periodic then you can just work over one period and that's compact).
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| Mar30-07, 09:27 AM | #8 |
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the question asks if there exists such a function which isnt periodic which converges uniformly on R, obviously it's hard to find such a function but is it impossible?
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| Mar30-07, 09:34 AM | #9 |
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| Mar30-07, 09:46 AM | #10 |
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btw, i have another question which is obviously an arzela-ascoli question:
prove that there exists a subsequence {f_k_M} that converges uniformly to on the real line R, where f_k(x)=sin(x+a_k), a_k is a sequence of real numbers. i proved that for the interval [0,2pi] there exists such subsequence by using arzela ascoli, now i think i only need to expand it to fit also the real line, so perhaps as we expand the interval but keep it compact, we still have a converging subsequence of f_k, but is it enough in order to prove for the whole real line? |
| Mar30-07, 09:51 AM | #11 |
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If the sequence converges uniformly on [0,2pi] then it converges uniformly on the whole line. The values on the rest of the line just repeat the values in the interval [0,2pi].
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| Apr2-07, 12:04 PM | #12 |
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any new insight on the initial question, dick or matt?
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| Apr2-07, 02:42 PM | #13 |
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No. And it's still annoying me.
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| Apr2-07, 04:05 PM | #14 |
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Ok. The class of 'almost periodic' functions also has this property. I haven't managed to cobble together a proof - maybe you can do that??
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| Apr3-07, 01:43 PM | #15 |
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when you say almost periodic, what to do you mean?
something like my example that sin(e^x), or something like this: e^(ax)*(Asin(wx)+Bcos(wx))? |
| Apr3-07, 02:34 PM | #16 |
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| May10-07, 05:20 AM | #17 |
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Dick, I think that g(x)=c where c is constant will do the job, what do you think?
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