Simple Measurement of Atomic Nuclei Radii

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The discussion revolves around the measurement of atomic nuclei radii using high-energy electron diffraction. Participants explore the application of various formulas and concepts related to scattering and wavelength calculations in the context of nuclear physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to calculating nuclear radii using the diffraction angle and energy of electrons, but expresses confusion over their results being in the range of x10^-14 instead of x10^-15.
  • Another participant questions the applicability of Rayleigh's criterion for large angles, suggesting it may not be suitable for the scenario presented.
  • A different participant provides a series of equations related to electron wavelength and scattering criteria, proposing a relationship between the electron wavelength and nuclear diameter, and presents calculated values for both.
  • There is a mention of a specific criterion for electron nuclear resolution, indicating that the electron wavelength must be less than or equal to the nuclear diameter for accurate measurements.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the formulas used and the conditions under which they apply. There is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the methods employed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential limitations in resolving the radius of a nucleus based on the electron wavelength and the assumptions made regarding scattering angles and energy levels.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying nuclear physics, particularly in the context of scattering experiments and measurements of atomic nuclei properties.

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Okay, we have a graph that shows how v.high energy electrons are diffracted by atomic nuclei and the first minimum is shown to be at approximately 51 degrees for carbon-12 with energy 420MeV. To calculate the nuclear radii I decided to use sin(theta)= 1.22lambda/d and rearranged this so d was the subject of the eq. To work out lamba I used lamba= h/sqrt(2mE). Then to finally calculate the radius of this nucelus, I used R=d/2. However, I've ended up with an answer x10^-14 (and almost x10^-13).

Can someone please tell me what's wrong with this? I've used m as the mass of an electron and put the energy into joules so I've got 420x10^6x1.6x10^-19 J
 
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I've checked my textbook and it says I'm using the right formulae so I really don't understand why I'm not getting my answer to x10^-15. Can anyone spot an error in what I've written above? Thanks.:smile:
 
How can you use Rayleigh's criterion here with such a large angle? I thought it could only be used for tiny resolving angles?
 
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Electron Wavelength:
[tex]\lambda_e = \frac{h}{ \sqrt{2m_eE}}[/tex]

Scattering Criterion:
[tex]d \sin \Theta = m \lambda[/tex]

[tex]d = \frac{mh}{ \sin \Theta \sqrt{2m_eE}}[/tex]

[tex]d = 2r_n[/tex]

[tex]r_n = \frac{mh}{ 2 \sin \Theta \sqrt{2m_eE}}[/tex]

First minimum intensity:
[tex]m = \frac{1}{2}[/tex]

[tex]r_n = \frac{h}{ 4 \sin \Theta \sqrt{2m_eE}}[/tex]

rn = 1.925*10^-14 m

[tex]\lambda_e < d[/tex]

[tex]\lambda_e[/tex] = 5.984*10^-14 m
d = 7.7*10^-14 m

Claire84, these equations cannot resolve the radius of a nucleus unless the electron wavelength here ([tex]\lambda_e[/tex] = 5.984*10^-14 m) is less than the diameter of a nucleus, here dn = 5.5*10^-15 m.

Electron nuclear resolution criterion:
[tex]\lambda_e \leq d_n[/tex]

Orion1-Claire Criterion:
[tex]\sin \Theta \sqrt{E} = \frac{mh}{ 2 r_0 \sqrt[3]{A_n} \sqrt{2m_e}}[/tex]
r0 = 1.2*10^-15 m
An - target mass (amu)

 
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