Calculating Volume of Revolution: y=x-x^3 from 0 to 1 about the y-axis

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The discussion revolves around calculating the volume of revolution for the function y = x - x^3, specifically from x = 0 to x = 1, when revolved about the y-axis. Participants are examining the correct setup and integration methods for this problem.

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  • Participants explore different methods for setting up the volume integral, including the use of dy versus dx and the implications of integrating across the y-axis. There are questions about separating areas above and below the x-axis and the correct limits of integration.

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Some participants have offered alternative volume formulas and pointed out potential mistakes in the original poster's approach. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct integration limits and methods, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants note that the volume cannot be negative and discuss the implications of integrating with respect to y rather than x, highlighting the need for clarity in the setup of the problem.

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Hi could you please say if this is right or wrong and if it is not where I went wrong.

I got the question:

Find the volume of the area between y=x-x^3 from 0 to 1 revolved about the y-axis.

So here are my workings:

[tex]V = \pi \int_0^1{x^2dy}[/tex]
[tex]V = \pi \int_0^1{x^2 \frac{dy}{dx}dx}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = 1 - 3x^2[/tex]
[tex]V = \pi \int_0^1{x^2 \left(1 - 3x^2 \right)dx}[/tex]
[tex]V = \pi \int_0^1{x^2 - 3x^4 dx}[/tex]
[tex]V = \pi \left[ \frac{x^3}{3} - \frac{3x^5}{5} \right]_0^1[/tex]
[tex]V = \pi \left \left( \frac{1}{3} - \frac{3}{5} \right) - \pi(0)[/tex]
[tex]V = \frac{-4\pi}{15}[/tex]
 
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Well, the volume can't be negative, can it? :smile:

As far as I remember, the volumne you get by revolving the area below f(x) between points A and B around the X axis is:

[tex]V = \pi \int_a^b{f(x)^2dx}[/tex]

Edit: argh, just noticed you're revolving it around the Y axis. Sorry.
 
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Grrr, I just wrote up a load of code in Latex and it didn't post up.

I think the problem is that when I am integrating:

[tex]x^2 - 3x^4[/tex]

Should I separate it into the parts above and below the x - axis, work out the area of the two parts individually?
 
I presume you want to find the volume of revolution of the area between that curve f(x) and the x-axis (between x = 0, 1), revolved around the y-axis?

Wouldn't that just be:
[tex]V = 2\pi \int_0^1{xf(x)dx}[/tex]
 
Originally posted by Doc Al
I presume you want to find the volume of revolution of the area between that curve f(x) and the x-axis (between x = 0, 1), revolved around the y-axis?

Wouldn't that just be:
[tex]V = 2\pi \int_0^1{xf(x)dx}[/tex]
Yes but I've never heard of that equation before, that only briefly reminds me of something I did in statistics.
 
Originally posted by Zurtex
Yes but I've never heard of that equation before, that only briefly reminds me of something I did in statistics.
If you take a point [tex](x, y)[/tex] on the graph, connect it to the X axis and revolve the line around the Y axis, you would get a very thin but high donut. The perimeter of the donut is [tex]2\pi x[/tex] and its height is [tex]y[/tex], bringing its volum to [tex]2\pi xy[/tex] or [tex]2\pi xf(x)[/tex]. That's how you get to:

[tex]V = 2\pi \int_0^1{xf(x)dx}[/tex]
 
Ahh, I think I found your mistake. Since you integrate by [tex]dy[/tex], you need the take Y limits and not the X limits. You are asked to find the volume between X = 0 and X = 1, those points are (0, 1) and (1, 0). So when you integrate by Y, the definite integral needs to be from 1 to 0, and not from 0 to 1. This is why you got a negative volume, and if you solve it with the equation Zurtex posted you would in fact get 4pi/15.
 
Thanks loads :D

Knew it was just some sill mistake. Although I don't understand your volume thingy but then I am only doing A level further maths.
 

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