Should NATO Expel France for Betraying Allies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the perceived actions of France in the context of NATO and international relations, particularly concerning Taiwan and military posturing. Participants express varying opinions on France's role as an ally and its historical actions, leading to a broader conversation about national identities and relationships within NATO.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that France's actions warrant expulsion from NATO, citing historical grievances and perceived betrayals.
  • Others express skepticism about the seriousness of the claims against France, framing some comments as jokes or light-hearted banter.
  • There are references to recent political events in Taiwan, with some participants drawing parallels between France's actions and China's military maneuvers.
  • Some participants challenge the notion that France's actions are harmful, arguing for a more nuanced understanding of international relations.
  • Several posts include humorous or sarcastic remarks about relocating France, indicating a mix of frustration and jest among participants.
  • Historical references are made regarding Belgium's military efforts in past wars, which some participants use to counter negative stereotypes about French and Belgian military history.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether France's actions justify expulsion from NATO. There are multiple competing views regarding France's role and the implications of its actions, with some participants expressing strong negative sentiments while others defend or downplay these criticisms.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes a mix of serious critiques and humorous exchanges, which may affect the interpretation of participants' intentions and the weight of their arguments. The tone varies significantly, with some posts appearing more light-hearted while others are more earnest.

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Someone recently tried to kill the president of Taiwan now France and China are flexing their muscels on election day hmmm...
I can understand China's aggression because they feel they own Taiwan but what is France trying to do? Surely then must know this will cause frustration and tension in Taiwan right?
 
Originally posted by kawikdx225
Someone recently tried to kill the president of Taiwan now France and China are flexing their muscels on election day hmmm...
I can understand China's aggression because they feel they own Taiwan but what is France trying to do? Surely then must know this will cause frustration and tension in Taiwan right?
So what's your evidence that China was responsible for the assassination attempt?
 
I never said China was responsible, please reread the post. But it does make you think.

Trying to kill the president just before an election is a way to send a strong political message.

Conducting military tests just before the election is another way to send a strong political message.

Seems to me that China and whoever tried to kill the president of Taiwan both have the same goals.
 
I agree with Robert, the French are just a bunch of backstabbers and whiners. Just look at the Kosovo crisis a few years back when we found out that they were selling secrets to the Serbians and Russians. Some allies they are.

France should be moved into the middle east
 
France should be moved into the middle east

Then the whole middle east would have to move, france should go to antartica. wait... then all of the penguins would have to move then. How about pluto? nobody minds if we send france there, right?
 
Originally posted by kawikdx225
I never said China was responsible, please reread the post. But it does make you think.

Trying to kill the president just before an election is a way to send a strong political message.

Conducting military tests just before the election is another way to send a strong political message.

Seems to me that China and whoever tried to kill the president of Taiwan both have the same goals.
Given the size of the 'sympathy' vote, who's to say that Chen wasn't behind the incident (directly or indirectly)? China's interests would be better served with a KMT victory, surely.

The joint military exercises are surely a strong message, and well understood by all parties.
 
Originally posted by DarkAnt
Then the whole middle east would have to move, france should go to antartica. wait... then all of the penguins would have to move then. How about pluto? nobody minds if we send france there, right?
Well, we could move them to Wallis and Futuna; I mean no one but those on Marshall could complain, right?
 
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France can only be put on Pluto if Pluto is knocked out of orbit and directed into the sun, :wink:
 
  • #11
Jimmy, I can't help but wonder where you get your childish opinions from.
The French governement does this and that, hence the French don't belong on this planet? Grow up and try and put a little nuance in your thinking, will you? :rolleyes:
 
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Dimitri Terryn said:
Jimmy, I can't help but wonder where you get your childish opinions from.
The French governement does this and that, hence the French don't belong on this planet? Grow up and try and put a little nuance in your thinking, will you? :rolleyes:


Ah yes, the France and Belgium, surrender monkeys together!

Take a look at jimmy's origin and smilies in his post. He was just cracking a joke, and as he is from England, a little chiding is standard etiquette between the two countries.
 
  • #13
Get back on topic, kids.
 
  • #14
I apologize, the new forum format makes the old smileys disappear.
And believe me, the Belgians like to poke at the French even more then the British.

And please explain why Belgium is a surrender monkey? (PM it to me perhaps, so we don't antagonize Zero :wink: )
 
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  • #15
Against overwhelming odds, the Belgians fought valiantly against a German airborne assault for 3 weeks during WWII. The Belgians also fought valiantly during WWI (their Rattlesnake Machinegun used during that war is renowned). Three cheers for the Belgians.
 
  • #16
that's ok Dimitri. I suppose my opinion would be biased due to all the past histories with France, and the fact that because Britain doesn't want to join Europe, France is doing all it can to make life difficult. What were we talking about again?
 
  • #17
Robert Zaleski said:
Against overwhelming odds, the Belgians fought valiantly against a German airborne assault for 3 weeks during WWII. The Belgians also fought valiantly during WWI (their Rattlesnake Machinegun used during that war is renowned). Three cheers for the Belgians.
CHEERS! (gulp)
CHEERS! (gulp)
CHEERS! (gulp)

Well, *staggers* that shur was a schweet *hic* little toasht there, Mishter Zaleshki. *hic* What shud we toasht to nexsht? :-p *hic*
:biggrin:
 
  • #18
jimmy p said:
France should be moved into the middle east

DarkAnt said:
Then the whole middle east would have to move, france should go to antartica. wait... then all of the penguins would have to move then. How about pluto? nobody minds if we send france there, right?

jimmy p said:
France can only be put on Pluto if Pluto is knocked out of orbit and directed into the sun

LOL!

ROFL!
 
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  • #19
The french should get out of here & take their statue of liberty & democracy with them
 
  • #20
schwarzchildradius said:
The french should get out of here & take their statue of liberty & democracy with them

you do know that france wanted that back (the statue of liberty) after they gave it to us. We gave them a little one to keep them from wanting ours.
 

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