Solving a 4x4 Matrix Determinant: Factor/Cofactor & Triangular Form

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the determinant of a 4x4 matrix using two methods: the Factor/Cofactor method and reduction to triangular form. Participants explore their experiences and challenges with these techniques, particularly focusing on the calculation process and potential errors.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their attempt to calculate the determinant using the Factor/Cofactor method but expresses confusion over obtaining a determinant of 0, questioning whether they set it up correctly.
  • Another participant confirms that a matrix can indeed have a determinant of 0, challenging the initial assumption that this result was incorrect.
  • A participant acknowledges reliance on a calculator and admits to input errors, ultimately agreeing that the determinant is 0.
  • There is a discussion about the efficiency of the triangular form method, with one participant suggesting it is quicker than the Factor/Cofactor method, while another seeks clarification on this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the determinant of the matrix is 0, but there is uncertainty regarding the methods used to arrive at this conclusion and the efficiency of the triangular form method compared to the Factor/Cofactor method.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention potential errors in calculations and the importance of careful input when using calculators. There is also a lack of consensus on the clarity and effectiveness of the triangular form method as compared to the Factor/Cofactor method.

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Students learning about matrix determinants, educators looking for insights into common student challenges, and individuals interested in mathematical problem-solving techniques.

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I seem to be still having problems with solving the determinant of a 4x4 matrix correctly. There are two methods I can use: Factor/Cofactor and reduction to triangular form.

Ex:
[ 1 2 3 4
-5 2 1 0
6 4 3 2
1 1 1 1]

determinant is 2 based on the calculator

Factor/Cofactor: I did:
1*det[2,1,0; 4,3,2; 1,1,1] - 2*det(-5,1,0;6,3,2; 1,1,1]
+ 3*det[-5,2,0; 6,4,2; 1,1,1] -4*det(-5,2,1; 6,4,3; 1,1,1]

From there I would do the individual det of the 3x3s, but when everything is added up I'm getting a determinant of 0! Did I set things up correctly like on the process of setting up the factor/cofactor method.


With the reduction to triangular form, it looks similar to Guassian elimination where I'm trying to get the matrix reduced to upper triangular form. I know that each row swap I make I need to multiply by (-1). When I'm done I mulitply the terms outside the matrix to the diagonals. However, I'm still a bit confused, so can anyone explain it a bit better than my textbook?

Thanks.
 
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From there I would do the individual det of the 3x3s, but when everything is added up I'm getting a determinant of 0!

Which happens to be the correct value... What makes you think a matrix can't have a determinant of 0?
 
DOH! I shouldn't always rely on the calculator (or at least me inputting wrong values)


Yeah the Det is 0.

I still have some trouble with the Triangular form method though. This technique is suppose to be quicker than the Factor/Cofactor technique right?
 
Yes, a lot quicker. Learn it, it's very useful
 

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