Assassination of The Arab 'Pope'

Nommos Prime (Dogon)

Propaganda for the Western Mind, from the Land of Assassinations…

Hamas’ military chief was the OTHER co-founder;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/855742/posts
http://www.iht.com/articles/88528.html

Credited as “co-founder” of Hamas, Shiek Ahmed Yassin.
He was a moderate, and a spiritualist.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Dail...998013124.html
He hardly created a TERRORIST NETWORK.

Well, they said they would get him;
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s878648.htm
Tried a few times;
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...549070711.html
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...191461098.html

Australia banned him;
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2003/s986516.htm

Zero

Hey, everyone, take a good close look at this post...and then calm down.

While I personally would have been a little more specific in condemming the method of the attack, there's nothing in this post that deserves an angry response. Yes, this guy was a scumbag, no Israel shouldn't have fired missles into a populated area to get him. What else is there to say, really?

Nommos Prime (Dogon)

I beg to differ. A couple of Palestinians I know, have become quite irate…

Chen posted;
“Yassin was far from being a Pope, he was not a spiritualist (do you even know what the word means?).”

I guess, in order to qualify to be a “Pope”, one must order Holy Crusades (to waste all Arab heathens), collaborate with the Nazis, withhold the Third Secret of Fatima etc.

Nommos Prime (Dogon)

He WAS a moderate (as MODERATE as Israel is EVER going to get...);
http://au.news.yahoo.com/040322/2/o8l1.html

The_Professional

LOL so you're actually there and know him personally for it to be true. Oh wait, the links says he's a moderate and not a terrorist.

That's a bunch of malarkey you have no way of proving for a FACT that he never ordered a single terrorist attack.

And as for Israel, and Palestine. I'm not taking any sides because BOTH sides are not committed to peace in that region.

kat

Well, Cheers! One down, many more to go.
Next on the list...Rantisi! Tomorrow would not be too soon and yesterday it was already way past due.
These monsters aren't only responsible for Israeli deaths, they are responsible for the deaths of every young person they have brainwashed into sacrificing themselves for on suicide missions slaughtering young children and the elderly for religious 'martyrdom' They are responsible for the death of every young palestinian child that has been used as a propaganda tool and as a shield for hamas militants. They are the leaders who have lead their people to ruin who will never settle for anything other then pushing the jews right into the sea..and then they will set their sites on the rest of the 'infidels'.
Funny, russia just killed a major chechen leader not too long ago, where the heck was yours and the rest of the worlds outrage then. Give me a break.

phatmonky

Everything I post is nothing but nationalistic pig speak, according to my buddy nommos!
I didn't really think there was much more to say! I thought it was a fairly rational view. Bad guy is dead, great! Greater cause isn't furthered, bad. Next news story?

phatmonky

So where was I wrong that he founded hamas? Do you always argue against your rivals by proving them right? Is this some sort of tactic I do not understand?

phatmonky

this is the poor old man in the wheel chair, just last september:

Adam

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General:
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ngo/history.html
http://domino.un.org/unispal.nsf/ec8...2561230077c62d!OpenDocument
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a7...2560de00548bbe!OpenDocument

History:
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561...2561150071fdb0!OpenDocument
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561...2564740045a309!OpenDocument
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561...25647400468f80!OpenDocument
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/561...2564740046f767!OpenDocument

UN Resolutions:
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a7...256c330061d253!OpenDocument
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a7...ighlight=2,242
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/9a7...ighlight=2,338

Maps:
http://domino.un.org/maps/pal_maps.htm

The diary of Rachel Corrie:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0...916246,00.html

Other stuff of interest:
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...5E1702,00.html
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=499003
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...3A3BCF3D39.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...2A62B2C133.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...8E9F37B5B9.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...378A081848.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...378A081848.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...E52D387622.htm
http://news.com.au/common/story_page...55E401,00.html
http://electronicintifada.net/forref...es/sharon.html

suyver

Even if all of this is true, then that STILL doesn't justify his murder in this way. He should have been arrested, tried in an oper court (with all the rules and so on) and he should only have been punished AFTER he had been found guily be an impartial judge (or jury, I have no idea how the Israeli law-system works). The Israeli's even did this for some of the WW2 Nazi's that they abducted and brought back to Israel: only after a trial were they sentenced (and excecuted).

The day that the gouvernment can take the law fully into their own hands is the day that the people lose the law...


Note: I am in no way condowning attacks on others, Israeli or Palastinians alike.

kat

This is a wonderful method, when it is possible. Of course in reality serving the warrant would have meant going into gaza city with troops and guns blazing and then of course the unfortunate deaths of possibly hundreds of Arabs. That would leave them right where they are now, being blasted with international hypocritical anti-semitical outrage, expecting the joooos to accept what no other country in their right mind would accept and doing nothing at all about it lest it offend the sensibilities of the hypocrit arabs and euuuuropians.

Zero

So, is it justified for Israeli troops to engage in terrorist activities to kill terrorists? I think that's the real question.

suyver

Interesting... the Palastinians seem to have a legitimate claim against Sharon for possible genoside (I think from somewhere in the beginning of the 1980's). So, according to you they should just buy some gunships and blast him - and maybe a few of his children and some bystanders too - when he leaves a Jewish house of worship?

Evil begets evil...

kat

I'm assuming you're referring to shabra and shatila. Sharon's role was far less direct then Yassin's has been, and in fact little attention is paid to the responsibility of the Phalange and Syria in Shabra and Shatila. Sharon's guilt in this is on par with the U.N. when they were given the duty of protecting refugess on numerous occasions yet allowed them, either through ignorance or neglect, to be slaughtered. When you try the U.N. for Genocide then maybe you should put Sharon on trial with them. But..this is probably a better debate for another thread, if you'd like.

When Israel stops putting on trial and imprisoning those people who are their responsibility who murder, or attempt to blow up innocent arabs then you might have a parallel example.

We've been down this road on this forum many times, I don't buy your moral equivelency crapola.

This is the reality:

1. The PNA is treaty bound to extradite these guys to Israel.
2. The PNA not only refuses to extradite, it arms and supports them at every level.
3. They have and will continue to bomb Jews until they are stopped.
4. To go in and arrest isn't just sending 2 cops around to serve a warrant. As I said, it would require a full scale invasion and the deaths of hundreds, to serve a warrant on one murderous sharmuta.
5. So, the GOI kills them instead.

If you don't like step 5, that's fine. Suggest an alternative because they've been at stage 4 for years, despite trying numerous approached and under numerous political leaders and yet they keep having to bury the bits and pieces of their children and elderly.



That's a load of crap. Evil has no problem coming in amongst innocence and slaughtering it.

The bottom line is, until you can come up with an alternative you're part of the problem.

Of course by the looks of it we might have a very good oppurtunity to witness other alternatives as we see how other countries deal with this in the coming year. I think by comparision the Israeli's will look good, not that it will stop the barrage of criticism. The world just wouldn't be the same if they weren't hyper critical of the Joooooos while they themselves have done and are using similar and even more extreme measures.

suyver

I choose to stop responding in this thread to prevent too emotional reactions / flamewars / ... (this certainly applies to me as well!).