Circles in a Box: Forces on Uniform Spheres at 35* Angle in Fixed Container

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The discussion revolves around the forces acting on two identical uniform spheres positioned at an angle of 35 degrees within a fixed rectangular container. Participants explore the forces exerted by the container's bottom and sides, as well as the interaction forces between the spheres. The focus includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical modeling of the forces involved.

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  • One participant describes the configuration of the spheres and attempts to illustrate their arrangement within the container.
  • Another participant analyzes the forces acting on the upper sphere, identifying gravitational force, wall force, and the force from the lower sphere, and expresses these in vector form.
  • The same participant derives equations based on equilibrium conditions, leading to calculations for the forces exerted by the spheres on each other and the container.
  • For the lower sphere, the participant identifies additional forces acting on it, including gravitational force, wall force, and the force from the upper sphere, and formulates the corresponding equilibrium equations.
  • Calculations are presented for the magnitudes of the forces, with specific values derived for the forces exerted by the container and between the spheres.

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Participants appear to agree on the setup and the forces acting on the spheres, with one participant providing detailed calculations. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final interpretations or implications of the calculations presented.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the configuration of the spheres and the forces acting on them. The calculations depend on the defined angle and the weights of the spheres, but some steps and assumptions may remain unresolved.

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Two identical uniform spheres, each weighing 75 N are at rest on the bottom of a fixed rectangular container. The line of centers of the spheres makes an angle of 35* with the horizontal. Find the forces exerted on the spheres by the container bottom, the container sides as well as the force that each sphere exerts on the other.



ill try to draw a picture for you...



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*************** the circle on the right is above the circle on the left... if you drew a line between the two centers you would have a line 35 degrees to the horizontal...


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wow my picture didnt turn out too well, basically its two circles, the one on the right is above the one on the left ( they don't both fit flat on the bottom of the container )



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--------------- i hope this one turns out better
 
nope, damn, i hope you get the idea
 
I take it, then, that the container is too small for the balls to sit next to one another on the bottom but too large to hold them one above the other. Let's assume that the bottom sphere is pressed against the left wall and that the upper sphere is pressed against the right wall.

There are three forces acting on the upper sphere. First, the force of gravity, <0,-75> (vector form: horizont, vertical components). Second, the wall pressing against the sphere: <-a,0> (we don't yet know how hard it is pressing). Third the lower sphere pressing against the upper sphere. That, of course, occurs where the two spheres are tangent and so along the line between their centers: that is 35 degrees to the horizontal. Taking its magnitude to be "b", that will be <b cos(35), b sin(35)> (Be careful about the signs: the force of the lower ball on the upper is up and to the right so both components are positive. Of course, the "cos" and "sin" are from the right triangle formed.) The total force on the upper sphere is <0-a + b cos(35),-75+ 0+ b sin(35)> and, since the upper sphere is not moving, that must be 0: a= b cos(35) and
b sin(35)= 75.
That's surprising: that's enough to calculate a and b right there!
b= 75/sin(35)= 131 Newtons. And then a= 131 cos(35)= 107 Newtons.

Now let's look at the bottom sphere. It has four forces acting on it. First the force of gravity: <0, -75>. Second the force of the wall: <c,0> (it's fairly easy to see that c= a but let's not assume that). Third the force of the upper sphere pressing down on it: <-b cos(35),-b sin(35)>- exactly the force the lower sphere applies to the upper but oppositely directed, of course. Finally, there is the force of the bottom supporting the lower sphere: <0,d>.
The total force on the lower sphere is <c- b cos(35), -75- b sin(36)+ d> and, since the lower sphere is not moving, that must be 0. We must have c= b cos(35) and d= 75+ b sin(35). The "b" we already know: it is 131 Newtons.

We can see that, in fact, that c= b cos(35) is exactly the same as the previous a= b cos(35)- since the only horizontal force is coming from the two sides, those must be the same in equilibrium. We also know that b sin(35)= 75 (the weight of the upper sphere pressing on the bottom one) so c= 75+ b sin(35)= 75+75= 150 Newtons. That's obvious isn't it? The bottom sphere is pressing down on the base with the weight of both spheres.

Making sure we answer all questions: the container bottom is pushing up on the spheres with 150 Newtons, exactly the weight of the two. Each side is pressing in against a sphere with a= c= 107 Newtons and the two spheres are pressing against one another with b= 131 Newtons.
 

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