the impossible lost city "Mega".

Andre

We have been there several times:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=6347
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=38797
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=86402

I have said on several occasions that something unexplanable like this tends to be forgotten as soon as possible. it only fuels crackpots with fantastic Atlantis stories. And if we cannot explain it, it should not exist. Evidence for that attitude is the failure to really exploit this site systematically. Only the discoverers were attempting to do so until their funding dried up.

But ever increasingly harder evidence doesn't go away. New activities here.

What would this evidence mean for a certain pet idea?

Tsu

WHAT!?!?!?!?

Andre

Well, I would say, that's an confirmed recurring observation. For instance for climatology and evidence *against* the explanation of the Pleistocene Ice Ages is the wide spread Northern Hemisphere mega fauna steppe with a dense population of horses, antilopes, lions up until way above the Artic circle in Siberia, oh yes, also mammoths, but weren't those just walking around in a constant blizzard? Ice age movies?

More here: page 4 second half

http://home.wanadoo.nl/bijkerk/refut...ermometer1.pdf


The disdaining of those animals for the explaination of the ice cores, caused it not to exist in the IPCC reports up until the last assessment report of the IPCC.

There is also something very wrong with the current ideas about isostacy tectonics if Wuchang Wei is right:

http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/c...tract/30/4/379

So where are all those new studies, called for, 5 years after date? Anybody working on that? Where is the curiousity of science? Cognitive dissonance? If we have no idea what's going on and no clue what to look for and how to tackle it, then it should not exist?

But yesterday (after I wrote that) I received a new promising study about the last glacial termination with the gist: we don't understand a thing of it, falsifying my idea.

It's from Pages Past Global changes:

As usually drop me a PM for sending (>8MB)

Do we finally begin to understand that our interpretation of the proxies of the past is often wrong and that something completely different happened?

matthyaouw

Just a thought about sea level changes... I get the impression that there are a lot of problems with our understanding of vertical crustal movements. As far as I am aware, the jury is still out on how the Lizard ophiollite and SW U.K. batholith came to be uplifted to the height that they are. There is also evidence that mountain building can happen a lot faster than previously thought (link) so perhaps crustal movements rather than absolute sea level change could be responsible.

Andre

Thanks, appreciate the link, I'm collecting anonalies. It appears that we may be closing in on scenarios like this:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=165114

delta001

Wtf? So UFOs don't exist because we can't explain them when clearly they do? (and I don't mean aliens, I mean any airborne object that is not identified by scientists or the military. Remember those weird lights over that city somewhere that appeared in some year that haven't been explained at all).

So by your logic your statement that I quoted doesn't exist because I can't explain the logic behind it. THEREFORE YOU DO NOT EXIST!!!!!

matthyaouw

I think you two may have missed the point of that statement slightly...

delta001

What point did I miss?

baywax

There seems to be a lot of submerged megalithic, sophisticated and presumably prehistoric monumental structures. Here's one off the southern Japanese island of Okinawa.

http://www.lauralee.com/japan/japan2.htm

And India's getting in on the action!

http://in.news.yahoo.com/050209/43/2jhw3.html

Apparently the straw found mixed with the ceramic building bricks at the site dates (C14) the city to approx. 9500 BP.

Andre

That's cool stuff, sunken cities a dozen or so fathoms deep are getting increasingly common. The problem with the Cuban site, Mega, is that it's about 2000 feet deep. That's the impossible part as sea levels were supposed not to have risen more than about ~400 feet after the last ice age, while the rise started 19000 years ago.

That's the puzzle.

baywax

Have any geologists weighed in their opinion on this anomaly? I'm pretty sure they could point to an event that dropped the crust by that amount in that region. Pretty sure but I don't know.

Andre

Not really, that's why I opened with:

The only geologist who described the phenomonon is Manuel Itturalde Vinent, in a web page,

http://www.medioambiente.cu/museo/exmari.htm

No peer reviewed publication. Nothing.

billiards

maybe it slipped off the ocean shelf in some kind of mega landslide??

Disclaimer: note that i know about as much about this case study as i know about the stock market, i.e. nothing.

Andre

Problem is that you'd have to come up with a scenario that did not destroy it. So no caldera stuff or slides I'm afraid.

How about a pulsating equator?

PRDan4th

I know little to nothing about this subject, but it is very interesting. I suppose a civilization that built this city when the sea level was at its lowest level, the Gulf of Mexico could have been a closed in sea like the Black Sea. If that were so (the Strait of Florida being a land bridge to Cuba) then the Yucatan Channel would be like the Bosporus with two levels of water flow (dense sea water flowing in below less dense fresh water flowing out). As the sea level rose, before the Florida Strait overflowed, Sea water flow in would have become huge. This could have cut a channel under the city of Mega causing it to fall almost intact to its current level.

How does a pulsating equator cause this?

Andre

Some ideas

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=165114

Suppose that the geoide shape of the Earth was a little variable, but sea level is not, then a pulsating earth causes tremendous sea level changes.

billiards

One major criticism I have of that diagram, is it says that the ocean volume increases. How in nature does that occur?

Edit: oh yeah, thermal expansion, doh!