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Mar26-04, 01:25 AM   #1
 
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Dowsing confirmed as "real" ?


...In 1986, GTZ presented in its series of publications a special report number 183 on a project in the northern dry zone districts of Sri Lanka, where dowsing techniques have been implemented on a large scale for the identification of well sites [1]. The resulting success and the economic benefit turned out to be unexpectedly high, thus justifying this unconventional technique despite all initial doubts and reservations, put forward from various parties ...

The dowsing competence of an expert appointed by GTZ, Dipl.-Ing. Hans Schröter, was checked within a large scientific research program. A detailed final report of the investigation has been published [2]. It contains all practical procedures and results of the project, performed by a team of 14 scientists from 9 different institutions situated in and around Munich; the financing and control of the study was executed by the German Ministry for Research and Technology, along with another scientific group appointed by the Ministry. A series of rigorous tests showed that Schröter was, amongst some 50 tested persons, the most successful participant and his dowsing talent could be proven with a great statistical significance.

GTZ examined the speculation that the dowsing technique may also be of practical usefulness in other representative field programs, namely with respect to the increase of success rates. The results obtained up to now are contained in the following report: despite all possible objections, these results lead us to the conclusion that the said speculation is largely corroborated by the facts.

Within a framework of cooperation between GTZ and a project team from Munich who participated in the above mentioned dowsing investigation, it was agreed to adopt a more scientific approach with regard to relevant future GTZ projects. This includes a field test of particular measuring devices and detailed discussions amongst specialists in the field of earth sciences, regarding the dowsing technique and the corresponding results obtained from GTZ projects. Of course, it cannot be expected that an extremely complex and historically developed problem, such as dowsing in conjunction with its immediate environment, may be satisfactorily solved within a short time and rendered acceptable on a general basis. Nevertheless, it clearly appears that this technique has been gaining more importance for particular, well specified tasks [2]. Former experiences already showed that it could be gainfully and reproducibly implemented in the field of geohydrology, provided that some careful precautions and controls were considered [3]. [continued]
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Mar26-04, 01:12 PM   #2
 
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dowsing has been used successfully for years,the only reason
it hasn't been accepted scientifically is no one knows how it
works. the British society of dowsers has been in existence
for 60 YRs or more, but like other things it never works when
tests are shown on tv.
May7-04, 12:38 AM   #3
 
So far as those who actually participate in Dowsing can fathom, the best current theory seems to be the infamous 'Ley Lines' and such. Can anyone offer a scientific interperetation of these Ley Lines??
May7-04, 05:38 AM   #4
 

Dowsing confirmed as "real" ?


Maybe they should compare the results with random points on the ground instead of the professional's techniques, the dowsers may not be good at it when compared to the usual methods - the usual guys might just be bad at it.

Wolram:
"dowsing has been used successfully for years,the only reason
it hasn't been accepted scientifically is no one knows how it
works. the British society of dowsers has been in existence
for 60 YRs or more, but like other things it never works when
tests are shown on tv."

The existence of a society dedicated to things doesn't make it more credible (unless if tis can be shown that they're good @ what they do). While doing Physics, my teacher gave a hand-out on the Flat Earth Society of Britain. I don't know how long they've been around (my guess is quiet a while!) - but they're still active if you can believe it.
May7-04, 10:32 AM   #5
 
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http://www.occultopedia.com/l/ley_lines.htm
ley lines, a term first used by Watkins.
quddusaliquddus, many tests semi and scientific have been done
to prove disprove dowsing with various results, some people
seem to have a "knack", and do find find "targets", but who knows
how.
May7-04, 04:23 PM   #6
 
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To all dowsers out there:
There's a MILLION U.S DOLLARS to be won; just prove the efficacy of dowsing to the James Randi Foundation!!!
May7-04, 05:43 PM   #7
 
Quote by arildno
To all dowsers out there:
There's a MILLION U.S DOLLARS to be won; just prove the efficacy of dowsing to the James Randi Foundation!!!
man if i hear that name one more time...any experiment which has
a million dollars at stake if it doesnt go the experimenter's way is always going to be biased and ultimately flawed.
And the way he always mentions it whenever he gets he's weird face on telly; as if its some kind of standing testiment to the illegitimate nature of pretty much anything that baffles his brain.
May11-04, 01:54 AM   #8
 
I have a little book called Lightning Bolt Generators which is about how to make various electrostatic generators. It has a list of things "that have a predisposition for taking on a negative or positive charge" in order of their tendency to do this. First on the positive side is air. Second is human hands.

It occured to me that this tendency of human hands to take on a positive charge might tie in to dowsing somehow. It doesn't seem to be a subtle thing. Hands are placed on the list as more positive than glass, human hair, wool, or silk.

I don't know how this would translate into dowsing, but it seemed signifigant.
May13-04, 03:37 PM   #9
 
I know mechanical contractors that use dowsing to locate terra cotta piping underground. It works. I don't know why or how, but it works.
May13-04, 03:56 PM   #10
 
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A series of rigorous tests showed that Schröter was, amongst some 50 tested persons, the most successful participant and his dowsing talent could be proven with a great statistical significance.
Without the specifics of the test, its tough to interpret this, but just off the top of my head, it sounds like any other random probability. With a group of 50 people, random chance will give one the highest success rate. Did they take that guy and do a second set of tests just with him to see if the results are repeatable?
May13-04, 04:17 PM   #11
 
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Quote by russ_watters
Without the specifics of the test, its tough to interpret this, but just off the top of my head, it sounds like any other random probability. With a group of 50 people, random chance will give one the highest success rate. Did they take that guy and do a second set of tests just with him to see if the results are repeatable?
I don't know anything more that discussed in the link. I do want to follow up on all of this later though. Given my own belief in dowsing due to two family members who seemingly have this ability - my father and uncle - one of these days I want to learn all that we know about this claim/issue, so far. Ironically, since I accepted long ago that this "art" must be due to a perfectly natural ability I have never really learned much about it. My dad has used it so successfully that he never doubted that a known explanation must exist [he was a Chem E and is prone to very logical thinking]. He was quite surprised when I told him that science does not recognize this as a genuine, natural, human ability.
May13-04, 04:36 PM   #12
 
Wow Ivan_Seeking! Ever tried it?
May13-04, 11:59 PM   #13
 
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I know mechanical contractors that use dowsing to locate terra cotta piping underground. It works. I don't know why or how, but it works.

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Anyone ever hear of "Spook Rods"?
They're used to find 'graves'.....
The City of Norfolk (Virginia) has a set at Magnolia Cemetery:
I 'tested' 'em out--friend worked there--he's now a Supervisor
This is an old cemetery and had number of unmarked graves-
Think they're copper rods bent so as to fit in 'handles' so they
can spin around--when you stand over a 'grave' (or water line)
the rods cross/come together---(worked for me!!!)--the 'effect'
is like a magnetic force......just 'standard operating procedure'!!
May14-04, 05:48 AM   #14
 
Quote by mouseonmoon
Anyone ever hear of "Spook Rods"?
They're used to find 'graves'.....
If such things actually work, I think it supports the theory I proposed in the other dowsing thread, that what the dowser is actually sensing is the disturbed magnetic field of the ferrites in the soil.

This could be tested by digging a trench, filling it back in, letting it grow over, and then letting as many reputable dowsers as you could get to participate to dowse the area without telling them they are dowsing for a trench with nothing in it.

If dowsing for pipes works by sensing the water or metal (in the case of steel pipes) you would expect there to be no "hits" whatever on the empty trench.
May16-04, 09:10 PM   #15
 
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Quote by quddusaliquddus
Wow Ivan_Seeking! Ever tried it?
Funny enough, no...which is really silly given my interests. Given my renewed interest - due to our recent discussions here - I guess I really do have to try it. I will let you know how it goes.
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If such things actually work, I think it supports the theory I proposed in the other dowsing thread, that what the dowser is actually sensing is the disturbed magnetic field of the ferrites in the soil.

This could be tested by digging a trench, filling it back in, letting it grow over, and then letting as many reputable dowsers as you could get to participate to dowse the area without telling them they are dowsing for a trench with nothing in it.

If dowsing for pipes works by sensing the water or metal (in the case of steel pipes) you would expect there to be no "hits" whatever on the empty trench.
I have a creek, steel [mostly empty] pipes, PVC water pipes, and underground aquifers on my property. If I am able to do this with any success I will have a good range of things to try. Also, my dad is supposed to be here next month. Being over 70 I'm sure he hasn't done this in many years, but I will see if he is up for a demo.
May16-04, 10:14 PM   #17
 
I do it and am quite successful at it.

I worked at a water-well drilling company once. A few times the crew had to know where old existing water lines were before drilling - most times they resorted to hand digging 4 foot holes all over the area. I resorted to just dowsing for the lines and found them every time; when the rods crossed, I had one of the crew dig down and there was the line. I got a $2/hr raise when the boss found out about my 'abilities'.

I tried teaching another coworker how to do this, but all he could ever find was fat tree roots...
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