How to Solve Exponential Equations without Logarithms

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The discussion revolves around methods for solving exponential equations without using logarithms, specifically focusing on examples like 3^x = 9. Participants explore various approaches and reasoning for finding unknown indices in exponential forms, with an emphasis on both integer and non-integer solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a method for finding unknown indices in exponential equations, particularly for larger numbers.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting 9 as 3^2 and using logarithms to solve for x, indicating that x = 2.
  • A different participant challenges the previous response, stating that logarithms were used implicitly by assuming x = 2 and provides a breakdown of the logarithmic approach.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the relationship between the bases can be used to solve equations without logarithms, providing additional examples such as 5^x = 625 and 2^x = 8.
  • One participant notes that while integer solutions can be found without logarithms, non-integer solutions, such as in the case of 3^x = 7, would require logarithmic methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of logarithms for solving exponential equations. While some argue that relationships between bases can suffice for integer solutions, others contend that logarithms are essential for more complex cases.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the ability to solve without logarithms depends on recognizing relationships between numbers and that integer solutions are more straightforward than non-integer ones. There is also mention of the need for calculators when dealing with logarithmic expressions.

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I would be grateful if someone could tell me how to find unknown indices.

e.g 3^x=9

(i know it is 2 but i would like to know the process for use with larger numbers).

Thankyou in advance
 
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3^x=9
therefore
9=3^2
get the log base 3 of both sides
x=2
 
No, you used the fact x=2.

9 = 3^x

log 9 = log (3^x)

log 9 = x log 3

x = log9/log3 = 2

log can be to any base as long as they are the same. you will usually find base 10, or base e on your calculator. log base e is usually ln.
 
No, you used the fact x=2.

1) 3x=9
As long as we can think of the relationship between 3 and 9, we can solve this problem without using logarithm, like the one suggested by enslam.

here are more examples (solve for x)
2) 5x = 625
3) 4*5x = 100
4) 2x = 8

If you use Logarithm, in the step log9/log3, you need to know the fact that 9 = 3^2 too, unless you use a caculator.
 
1) 3x=9
As long as we can think of the relationship between 3 and 9, we can solve this problem without using logarithm, like the one suggested by enslam.

That's true as long as the "opposite" problem, finding the power, can be done easily- as long as the answer is an integer as in all of your examples.

To solve, for example 3x= 7, you will need to use logarithms.
 

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