What are the partial derivatives of the given functions with respect to x and y?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the partial derivatives of various functions with respect to the variables x and y. Participants explore techniques for differentiation, particularly in the context of functions involving logarithmic, exponential, and trigonometric expressions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to calculus.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests assistance with finding partial derivatives for several functions, providing their initial answers for verification.
  • Another participant advises treating non-variable parts of expressions as constants during differentiation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on the differentiation process, indicating that they find their professor's notes insufficient for complex examples.
  • A detailed explanation is provided for differentiating the function z = y ln|x|, emphasizing the treatment of y as a constant when differentiating with respect to x and vice versa.
  • For the function z = arctan(x/y), a participant suggests using implicit differentiation after taking the tangent of both sides, mentioning the chain rule for differentiation.
  • Another participant proposes a method for differentiating tan(x/y) and provides expressions for the partial derivatives with respect to x and y, although they express uncertainty about their correctness.
  • A later reply confirms the correctness of one of the proposed derivatives and suggests a simplification for clarity.

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Participants express varying levels of confidence in their calculations and methods, with some providing corrections and refinements to earlier claims. There is no consensus on the final answers, as participants are still verifying their approaches and results.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate uncertainty about specific differentiation techniques and the correctness of their answers. There are unresolved aspects regarding the application of the chain rule and implicit differentiation in certain cases.

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ok i need help with a few questions. i'll post the question first and then what i get as an answer, the first one is the partial derivative with respect to x and the second one with respect to y. these are the even number questions from my textbook and they don't have answers to them so if someone could check them, i would really appreciate it; thanks.

a) z = yln|x|
b) z = x^y
c) z = xy^2/(x^2+y^2)
d) z = arctan(x/y)

a) 1/x, 1
b) yx^(y-1), (x^y)(ln|x|)
c) [(x^2)(x^2+y^2)-xy^2(2s)]/(x^2+y^2)^2,
[(2xy)(x^2+y^2)-st^2(2s)]/(x^2+y^2)^2
d) i don't even know how to do this one.
 
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Be sure to treat the part of the expression that doesn't have the variable you're differentiating with respect to as a constant.

For the arctan problems, take the tangent of both sides and differentiate implicitly.

cookiemonster
 
um, do you think you could explain that? thanks. I've read over my profs notes and they make sense but they are the simple examples.
 
Okay. In the first problem,

z = y ln|x|

If we're differentiating with respect to x, we're going to treat anything with a y in it as constant. That is, we're going to treat y multiplier in front as a constant. So essentially we're differentiating

z = c*ln|x|

where c is some constant. I'm sure you know how to differentiate that to get

dz/dx = c/x = y/x (since c = y).

Now to differentiate with respect to y, we treat anything with an x as a constant. That would be the expression ln|x|. So we're differentiating

z = y*c

which is

dz/dy = c = ln|x| (since c = ln|x|)

For the last one, you need to take the tangent of each side to get the equation

tan(z) = x/y

We then use the chain rule to differentiate tan(z), i.e.

[tex]\frac{\partial f(z)}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial f(z)}{\partial z}\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}[/tex]

it is the same for differentiating with respect to y, just replace the x's in the above equation with y's.

That gives us the left-hand side. The right-hand side you differentiate normally. Once you have the left- and right-hand sides, solve for dz/dx (or dz/dy, if you're differentiating with respect to y) and that will be your answer. If you have an expression with z in your answer, substitute it away using the problem statement.

cookiemonster
 
Hm...

If we have d/dx [tan x]...doesn't that equal 1/(1+x^2) ? you should know that from calc1 or 2 right? So just apply the same form to tan x/y, holding y constant for (partial x) and x costant for (partial y). I think this would be right:

(partial x) = (1/y)/(1+(x/y)^2)

and

(partial y) = (-x/y^2)/(1+(x/y)^2)

Check my work though, not totally sure.
 
"(partial x) = (1/y)/(1+(x/y)^2)"

Yes, although it might be a good idea to multiply both numerator and denominator by y2 to get [itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}= \frac{y}{x^2+y^2}[/itex]

"(partial y) = (-x/y^2)/(1+(x/y)^2)"

Excellent! Now multiply both numerator and denominator by y2 to get
[itex]\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}= \frac{-x}{x^2+ y^2}[/itex]
 
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