Be your self, no matter what they say

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The discussion revolves around objections to traditional physics, particularly focusing on the mathematical representation of concepts such as error and results. Participants explore the implications of defining quantities and operations in physics and mathematics, questioning the rigor and validity of claims made against established theories.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that traditional physics can be wrong despite its successes, proposing a distinction between RESULT and RESULT + ERROR.
  • Another participant emphasizes that experimental validation will only support either RESULT or RESULT + ERROR, not both.
  • A critique is raised regarding the need to define the entities involved (A, B, RESULT, ERROR) and the operations used before making mathematical claims.
  • Further discussion questions the rigor of using standard mathematical operations on undefined quantities, suggesting that the argument lacks clarity.
  • A participant introduces complex numbers to analyze the mathematical claims, arguing that contradictions arise only under specific conditions.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the objections to traditional physics, stating that they have not witnessed events that contradict established physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of objections to traditional physics, with some supporting the critique while others defend the established framework. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the validity of the claims made.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clear definitions and rigorous mathematical foundations in discussions about physics and mathematics, indicating potential limitations in the arguments presented.

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Those that follow my posts are well awear of how serious are my objections to the traditional physics. They must at some point question them self: How can the traditional physics be wrong despite all the progress mankind makes?
The answer is simple:
I can put A + B = RESULT
They can put A + B + ERROR = RESULT + ERROR
Two ways make true claim but RESULT <> RESULT + ERROR
The point is:
Be your self as long as you don't contradict your self!
 
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deda said:
A + B + ERROR = RESULT + ERROR

Sure, but experiment (i.e., nature) will only agree with either[/color] RESULT or[/color] RESULT+ERROR.
 
Deda ... sorry mate ... your objection to traditional physics has crossed over into maths.

Before you can write ...

A + B = RESULT
A + B + ERROR = RESULT + ERROR

... you must define what type of entities A, B, RESULT and ERROR are and what '+' and '=' mean.

Otherwise, it's just gibberish.
 
A, B, Result & Error are quantities of same quality.
'+' is the standard math operator for addition
'=' is again standard sign for equality.
 
And now you've got to define quality, and explain why you are allowed to use the 'standard math operation for addition' on things like that. You might have a useful shorthanc for creating a picture of your opinion (though it is not clear to most of us I'd suggest), but it's not rigorous, is it?
 
About being yourself, if you are a serial killer, hitman (any kind of murderer really), rapist, pedophile, telemarketer etc., please stop being yourself immediately.

Njorl
 
Following on frm Matt Grime's comment ...

If you want to use '+' and '=' as the 'standard math operators' then the quantities you are considering must be a subset of the complex numbers. So, let's look at your arguments again, but not using 'handy' words that sort of look like they may contradict themselves in English:

Let A, B and D be complex and C = A + B.
Then, A + B + D = C + D.

So, C <> C + D, but if and only if D <> 0. If D = 0, then D = C + D !

Where's the contradiction?

Your trouble is with trying to make Maths out of English. Why you feel the need to find such holes in maths or physics, I have no idea, but you'd use your time much better if you learned the rules of the game first.

Paul.
 
deda said:
Those that follow my posts are well awear of how serious are my objections to the traditional physics.

Maybe I haven't been paying attention, but as far as I know, I have never
witnessed a single event on this planet that didn't square with "traditional physics". Therefore, I must object to your objections.
 

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