Derivative of unit step function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the derivative of the unit step function, particularly in the context of the expression x = e^(-3t)u(t-4). Participants explore various methods to differentiate this expression, including Laplace transforms and direct differentiation.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to differentiate the expression x = e^(-3t)u(t-4).
  • Another suggests using Laplace transforms as a method for differentiation.
  • A different participant recommends writing out the definition of the unit step function to clarify the differentiation process.
  • One participant claims to have derived the result using the property L{f'}(s) = sL{f}(s) - f(0), questioning its correctness.
  • Another participant mentions that the Fourier Transform can also be applied to this problem, especially for unbounded functions.
  • A participant provides a direct differentiation approach, breaking down the function into cases based on the value of t and noting that the derivative does not exist at the discontinuity t = 4.
  • One participant discusses the assumption that the derivative of a step function can be treated as a delta function, mentioning the need for certain conditions on the functions involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods for differentiating the unit step function, but there is no consensus on a single approach or resolution of the discussion. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best method to use.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on the precise definition of the unit step function and the conditions under which the derivative can be treated as a delta function.

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[SOLVED] Derivative of unit step function

How does one do this, for example x= e^(-3t)u(t-4); how do you get x' ??
 
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Do laplace transforms on it.
 
Write out the definition of the unit step function and it might be easier to see.
 
I think I got it now. I used the property L{f'}(s) = sL{f}(s) - f(0)
Is that correct?
 
The Fourier Transform

can also be used. It can be used for many unbounded functions.
 
You could just differentiate it directly.

x(t) = e^(-3t)u(t-4)

is equivalent to:

Code:
x(t) =  e^(-3t)   (for t > 4)
           0      (for t < 4)

with x(4) depending on the precise definition of u.

Differentiating on each piece gives:

Code:
x'(t) = (-3) e^(-3t)   (for t > 4)
          0            (for t < 4)

And x'(4) does not exist because x(t) is discontinuous at t = 4

IOW:

x'(t) = (-3) e^(-3t) u(t - 4) for t [x=] 4
 
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Sometimes you can safely assume the derivative of a step to be a delta function (for instance, when you integrate a delta, you get a step).

They need to be used as distributions, and there may be some requirements on the functions you use along with them (integrability, continuity,...).

I'm sorry I don't remember much about it.
 

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