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Sep14-07, 04:21 PM   #52
 
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Titled reference frame, N2L with position and velocity


Quote by Oblio View Post
oops! little pen and ink mistake over here..

t = vosin(theta) / (1/2)gcos(phi)
yep!
cool. plugging that into dx should work.
Sep14-07, 04:24 PM   #53
 
dx = vocos(theta)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi) - (1/2)gsin(phi)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi)
Sep14-07, 04:29 PM   #54
 
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dx = vocos(theta)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi) - (1/2)gsin(phi)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi)
you missed t^2... didn't square t.
Sep14-07, 04:30 PM   #55
 
oops.
man im bad..
Sep14-07, 04:33 PM   #56
 
dx = vocos(theta)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi) - (1/2)gsin(phi)(vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi))^2

on the right side i can cancel out the (1/2) on the bottom and top, as well as the g, giving,

dx = vocos(theta)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi) - sin(phi)(vosin(theta)/cos(phi))^2
Sep14-07, 04:35 PM   #57
 
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Quote by Oblio View Post
dx = vocos(theta)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi) - (1/2)gsin(phi)(vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi))^2

on the right side i can cancel out the (1/2) on the bottom and top, as well as the g, giving,

dx = vocos(theta)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi) - sin(phi)(vosin(theta)/cos(phi))^2
careful the 1/2 and g are squared...
Sep14-07, 04:38 PM   #58
 
oops again.

so im left with
dx = vocos(theta)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi) - sin(phi)(vo^2 sin(theta) ^2 / (1/2) g (cos(phi)^2)
Sep14-07, 04:43 PM   #59
 
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oops again.

so im left with
dx = vocos(theta)vosin(theta)/(1/2)gcos(phi) - sin(phi)(vo^2 sin(theta) ^2 / (1/2) g (cos(phi)^2)
Looks good... try to simplify and use a trig identity to get it to look like the formula they gave for the range...
Sep14-07, 04:45 PM   #60
 
will trig identities apply since theta and phi are present?
Sep14-07, 04:46 PM   #61
 
im confused how one would ever get, for example : cos (theta + phi) through simplifying
Sep14-07, 05:04 PM   #62
 
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im confused how one would ever get, for example : cos (theta + phi) through simplifying
try a little factoring of your equation also... look up the identity for cos(A+B)...
Sep14-07, 05:06 PM   #63
 
i found that cos (a+b) = cosacosb +/- sinasinb... but i dont have that relationship anywhere
Sep14-07, 05:09 PM   #64
 
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i found that cos (a+b) = cosacosb +/- sinasinb... but i dont have that relationship anywhere
first write everything over 1 denominator... then compare what you have to the formula you need to get... a little factoring will give you the answer.
Sep14-07, 05:14 PM   #65
 
k im at
dx= vo^2sin(theta)*(cos(theta)-sin(phi)) / (1/2)cos(phi)^2(sin(theta))
Sep14-07, 05:21 PM   #66
 
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k im at
dx= vo^2sin(theta)*(cos(theta)-sin(phi)) / (1/2)cos(phi)^2(sin(theta))
factoring out the sin(theta) was correct... but you made a mistake somewhere...
Sep14-07, 05:22 PM   #67
 
i cant factor out a vo^2?
Sep14-07, 05:23 PM   #68
 
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i cant factor out a vo^2?
yes you can... I was referring to the sin's cos's... check your work... your denominator should only have [cos(phi)]^2
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