Is the Bush Campaign Misrepresenting Kerry's Tax Plan?

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The discussion centers on the Bush campaign's portrayal of John Kerry's tax plan, particularly in relation to claims made in a political advertisement. Participants analyze the accuracy of these claims and the implications of tax policies, focusing on the broader context of taxation during Bush's presidency and the effects on state taxes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the Bush ad misrepresents Kerry's tax record by including votes for tax cuts as votes for higher taxes.
  • Others suggest that if Bush's standards are applied to his own policies, he has also voted for higher taxes numerous times during his presidency.
  • One participant claims that the increase in state taxes is a direct result of federal tax cuts, indicating a broader impact of federal policies on state funding.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of Kerry's voting record, with some asserting that he voted for tax increases less frequently than Bush.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of tax voting records and the implications of the Bush ad. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the claims made by either side.

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Limitations include potential biases in the interpretation of voting records and the complexity of tax policy impacts on state funding, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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Bush Ad Is "Troubling" Indeed

The President's ad recycles bogus claims, then tells only part of the story about Kerry's position on tax breaks for couples and children.

Bush released yet another attack on Kerry April 1, an ad appropriately named "troubling." The Bush ad recycles a couple of bogus claims we've de-bunked before -- a misleading claim that Kerry voted for "higher taxes" 350 times and a claim that "Kerry's plan will raise taxes by at least $900 billion." We pointed out previously that the 350-vote figure is so off base that it actually counts some Kerry votes for tax cuts as votes for "higher taxes." And as we said earlier , the only tax "plan" Kerry has proposed is to repeal Bush's tax cuts for those making $200,000 a year or more, while giving some additional tax breaks to those further down the income scale.

...I’m George W. Bush and I approve this message.

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=167
 
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It seems that if we apply Bush's standards to his own policies that he proposed or signed "higher taxes" 63 times in his presidency. That's about 20 times a year, compared to 17.5 for Kerry (350/20). Is Bush for higher taxes? Of course not. He is, however, in favor of deceitful advertising.

Njorl
 
Njorl said:
That's about 20 times a year, compared to 17.5 for Kerry...
Njorl

Seems to me Kerys only for voting tax increases 12.5% less then GW.
 
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Is Bush for higher taxes? Of course not. He is, however, in favor of deceitful advertising.
He's certainly for higher taxes, why do you think tuition & state taxes have gone up sharply? The fed cut funding for the states, forcing them to cut their programs or raise fees & taxes. That's the result of "tax cuts" -- higher state taxes.
 

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