What's the utility of the eigenvectors of a matrix?

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The discussion revolves around the utility of eigenvectors of a matrix, touching on their applications in quantum mechanics, vibration analysis, and other areas of physics and mathematics. Participants explore the theoretical implications and practical applications of eigenvectors and eigenvalues, as well as the conditions under which matrices can be diagonalized.

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  • Some participants assert that eigenvectors are crucial in quantum mechanics, where they represent pure states for observables and help derive quantum numbers.
  • Others discuss the simplification of matrix problems through diagonalization, noting that a complete set of eigenvectors leads to a diagonal matrix form.
  • One participant highlights the application of eigenvalues in various physical analyses, such as natural frequencies in vibration analysis and principal stresses in stress analysis.
  • Another participant mentions that certain matrices cause dilation without rotation, represented by the equation A.x = m.x, where m is an eigenvalue.
  • Some participants challenge the assertion that all matrices can be diagonalized, emphasizing that this is not true for non-symmetric matrices and suggesting a focus on symmetric matrices for physical properties.
  • A later reply notes that any normal matrix is diagonalizable, adding nuance to the discussion on matrix types.

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Participants express differing views on the diagonalizability of matrices, with some asserting that not all matrices are diagonalizable while others argue that normal matrices are. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the generalization of diagonalizability across different types of matrices.

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Limitations include the dependence on the type of matrices discussed (e.g., symmetric vs. normal) and the conditions under which eigenvectors and eigenvalues are applicable in various physical contexts.

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What's the utility of the eigenvectors of a matrix?
I know that is something about quantum mechanics
 
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It is true that, in one form of Quantum Mechanics, we can represent "operators" by (infinite dimensional) matrices and then all properties of matrices and linear operators are important.


One point of the "eigenvalue, eigenvector" problem is this:

If we can find a "complete set of eigenvectors" (a basis for the vector space consisting entirely of eigenvectors) then the matrix has a very simple form: it is diagonal with the eigenvalues on the diagonal.

For example, the eigenvalues of the matrix A= [0 1]
[-2 3] are 1 and 2

The vector [1 1] is an eigenvector with eigenvalue 2 and the vector
[1 2] is an eigenvector with eigenvalue 1.

Let P= [1 1]
[1 2] is a matrix with columns formed by those eigenvectors. It's inverse matrix is P-1= [2 -1]
[-1 1]
Now you can calculate yourself that
P-1A P= [1 0] and so P[1 0] P-1= A.
[0 2] [0 2]


Solving equations, etc. connected with [0 1]
[-1 3] can be reduced to problems with [1 0]
[0 2] which is much simpler.
 
Eiegnvectors can also be used to find a basis for a matrix.

Fun stuff :smile:
 


Originally posted by meteor
What's the utility of the eigenvectors of a matrix?
I know that is something about quantum mechanics

Start by thinking of a simple vector in 2-D. In general, it has two components. However, there is always a coordinate system in which one of the coordinates is zero (the system in which one axis is coincident with the vector).

Now think of a 3x3 matrix as representing something more complicated than a vector (it's called a tensor but that doesn't matter here). In general, the matrix will have 9 components (in 3-D), three of which are on the 'main diagonal' (top left to bottom right) and the other six of which are not. Again, there is always a coordinate system in which the 6 'off-diagonal' components are zero. In this system, the three components on the diagonal are the eigenvalues.

They have a whole range of applications. In vibration analysis, the eigenvalues are the natural frequencies (well, 'squared' but who cares), in buckling analysis the eigenvalues are the buckled shapes, in stress analysis the eigenvalues are the 'principal stresses' that control fracture, and so on.

More abstractly, multiplying a vector by an (orthogonal) matrix generally causes both rotation and dilation of the vector. However, certain matrices cause the vector to simply dilate, without rotating, i.e:

A.x = m.x

where A is a matrix, x is the vector and m is a scalar called the eigenvalue.
 
The eigenvectors of the operators in QM allow you to obtain the quantum numbers of the system. If you consider for example the group SU(2), the eigenvalues of its Casimir operator on the irreducible representations allows you to obtain the quantum number. This elementary example led to the operator language in which the modern physical theories are modeled.
 
Another simple example: If you have a rotation in space, then each vector that is along the axis, is an eigenvector. Since it's not affected by the rotation.
Similar to that, there is Noether's theorem which IIRC states that each symmetry generates an invariant. E.g. if a system is statistical then it has constant energy.
(Just a rough sketch of what it has to do with physics. Some may say I'm totally wrong here...)
 


Originally posted by rdt2
Now think of a 3x3 matrix as representing something more complicated than a vector (it's called a tensor but that doesn't matter here). In general, the matrix will have 9 components (in 3-D), three of which are on the 'main diagonal' (top left to bottom right) and the other six of which are not. Again, there is always a coordinate system in which the 6 'off-diagonal' components are zero. In this system, the three components on the diagonal are the eigenvalues.

This is not true! Not all matrices are diagonalizable!
A restriction to symmetric matrices would be more appropriate here as an illustration of the physical properties of eigenvalues...
 


Originally posted by dg
This is not true! Not all matrices are diagonalizable!
A restriction to symmetric matrices would be more appropriate here as an illustration of the physical properties of eigenvalues...

Point taken! I seldom have to deal with non-symmetric matrices.

ron.
 
Any normal M*M matrix is diagonalisable.
 
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In QM:
Eigenvectors of a matrix give the pure states for an observable. As the set of states is convex, this means that the states can be obtained from the eigenvectors.
 

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