Is Military Theft Justifiable During War?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the justifiability of military actions, particularly theft, during wartime. Participants explore the implications of military strategy and the historical context of U.S. involvement in Iraq, touching on themes of power, resource control, and the consequences of military decisions.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the rationale behind military strategies, particularly the shift in goals from initial objectives to broader control, suggesting that the context has changed significantly over time.
  • Others express skepticism about the effectiveness of coalition forces in Iraq, proposing that focusing on oil wells while retreating from population centers could be a safer strategy.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of military presence in Iraq, with some arguing that it leads to increased hostility from locals who may view foreign troops as invaders.
  • One participant provides a definition of "stealing" and reflects on the moral implications of appropriating resources during conflict, suggesting a critique of the American attitude towards military engagement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on military strategy and the ethics of resource appropriation during war, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference historical decisions and military strategies without resolving the complexities of these issues, highlighting the dependence on varying interpretations of military ethics and objectives.

schwarzchildradius
How do you reconcile GWB's father's wise choice of withdrawing from Iraq with the son's incessant thirst for blood?
 
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Dubya, from all accounts, takes after his mother, who is apparently a cast-iron b****.
 
What is there to reconcile?
We didn't take over last time because that wasn't what the original intention was. You can't bring in 500,000+ coalition, and then after the original goal is done say "okay, we're changing things up, let's go ahead and take out the government".

Completely different scenario and context more than a decade later.
 
It occurred to me that GWB is in Crawford, Cheney is swinging through Alaska on his way to Japan... who's in Washington? Did anybody let them know that there's a war going on?
This war gets stupider by the day. Finally the Shiites and Sunis have united in a common cause-- evict the Americans. I say, "Mission Accomplished," let's leave them to their own devices. But no it's not that simple. Super-bases must be built. Oil infrastructure defended. As long as our guys are there though, even if they're just defending refineries eventually, they'll be targets for Iraqi nationals who don't want their resources plundered.
 
Greetings !

Under the circumstances coalition forces can't win this
fight. They should concentrate around the oil wells and
retreat from all population centers. In the open they will
be almost completely safe with their supperiority in heavy
weapons and armor and Iraqis will be less eager to attack
them.

The Muslims can do whatever they want in the meantime
and everybody gets what they want.

Live long and prosper.
 
schwarzchildradius said:
How do you reconcile GWB's father's wise choice of withdrawing from Iraq with the son's incessant thirst for blood?
Bush SR made a mistake.
 
drag said:
Greetings !

Under the circumstances coalition forces can't win this
fight. They should concentrate around the oil wells and
retreat from all population centers. In the open they will
be almost completely safe with their supperiority in heavy
weapons and armor and Iraqis will be less eager to attack
them.

The Muslims can do whatever they want in the meantime
and everybody gets what they want.

Live long and prosper.
So just stealing.
"Stealing":
1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as an habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base
transitive senses
1 a : to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully <stole a car> b : to take away by force or unjust means <they've stolen our liberty> c : to take surreptitiously or without permission <steal a kiss> d : to appropriate to oneself or beyond one's proper share : make oneself the focus of <steal the show>
2 a : to move, convey, or introduce secretly : SMUGGLE b : to accomplish in a concealed or unobserved manner <steal a visit>
3 a : to seize, gain, or win by trickery, skill, or daring <a basketball player adept at stealing the ball> <stole the election> b of a base runner : to reach (a base) safely solely by running and usually catching the opposing team off guard

Drag ... your really have the great American attitude.
 

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