Having some difficulty with a Trip. Integral in Cylindrical Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a triple integral in cylindrical coordinates, specifically the integral of x dV over a defined region E. The region is bounded by certain planes and cylinders, prompting participants to explore the limits of integration and the complexity of the integral itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the limits for r (from 2 to 3) and theta (from 0 to 2π), but expresses confusion regarding the upper limit for z, questioning if it should be expressed as rcos(θ) + rsin(θ) + 3.
  • Another participant agrees with the analysis of the limits but suggests that the integral, while tedious, is manageable and can be solved by hand.
  • A later reply indicates that certain terms in the integral vanish, simplifying the integration process, and provides a specific form of the integral to be evaluated.
  • One participant mentions their lack of familiarity with Fourier series, indicating a limited background in advanced mathematical concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the limits for r and theta, but there is uncertainty regarding the upper limit for z. The complexity of the integral is acknowledged, with differing opinions on its difficulty.

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Participants express varying levels of familiarity with mathematical techniques, such as Fourier series, which may influence their understanding of the integral's evaluation.

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Students or individuals studying calculus, particularly those working with triple integrals and cylindrical coordinates, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi everybody


The integral in question is the triple integral of x dV over the region E, where E is enclosed by the planes z=0, and z=x+y+3, and the cylinders x^2 + y^2 = 4 and x^2 + y^2 = 9.

Well--- so far in cylindrical coordinates I know the r limits will be from 2 to 3 since the cylinders are in the form x^2 + y^2 = r^2

And the Theta limits will be 0 to 2pi.

The z limits are what are bothering me. I believe the lower z limit will be 0, but the upper one is quite confusing. x+y+3 ... am I correct in assuming this should be written as rcos(theta) + rsin(theta) + 3 ??

Lets just say that's right for now (which i know it isn't :frown: ) then I would end up getting an integrand with stuff like cos^2(x) which I know isn't a difficult integral if you use half angles, but it just doesn't seem like it should be this long and difficult. What can I do to change my limits?

Thanks for you help.
 
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There are plenty of us who would say that even with those limits the integral is easy - it can be done by hand, thus it is easy (tedious, long and uninteresting perhaps).
Your analysis seems correct - not all integrals have neat tricks that make things drop out without having to do some genuine integration. but let's see what happens:

[tex]\int_{r=2}^3 \int_{\theta=0}^{2\pi}\int_{z=0}^{r\cos\theta+r\sin\theta+3} r^2\cos\theta dzdrd\theta[/tex]
[tex]= \int_{r=2}^3\int_{\theta=0}^{2\pi}r^3\cos^2\theta+r^3\sin\theta\cos\theta+3r^2cos\theta drd\theta[/tex]

note that the cos(\theta)sin(\theta) integral and the cos(\theta) vanishes, and we can do the r integration first to get

[tex]\frac{65}{4}\int_{\theta=0}^{2\pi} cos^2\theta[/tex]

which is fairly elementary (remember your Fourier series?)
 
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Hey thanks matt I believe I got it--- and no that integral is not at all difficult...

Btw I have not studied Fourier series--- only power and taylor series, and just basic ones in the my Calculus III course. :frown:
 
ah, when you come to do Fourier series, you'll have to learn about integrals of cos and sin , and see that they almost always come to zero.
 

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