Has light wavelength compression been proven?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experimental verification of light's wavelength compression due to gravity, specifically addressing whether there is evidence for gravitational blueshift, in contrast to the established phenomenon of gravitational redshift. The scope includes theoretical implications and historical experiments related to gravitational effects on light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about experiments verifying the compression of light's wavelength by gravity, noting that gravitational redshift has been observed.
  • One participant mentions that X-rays emitted by matter falling into black holes serve as a prediction of gravitational redshift, which has been observationally verified.
  • Another participant references an early gravitational redshift experiment involving the Mossbauer effect, suggesting it may have implications for understanding gravitational effects on light.
  • A participant points out that the Pound & Rebka experiment involved beams going in both directions, indicating a complexity in the experimental setup.
  • One participant expresses a sense of conclusion regarding the proof of compression, although this is not universally agreed upon in the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the existence of experimental proof for gravitational blueshift, while acknowledging that gravitational redshift has been well established. There is no consensus on whether compression has been definitively proven.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions reference historical experiments and their setups, but there are limitations in the clarity of whether these experiments directly address the question of wavelength compression.

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has there been an experiment verifying the compressing of light's wavelength by gravity? i thought i heard of one verifying light's wavelength lengthening (redshift) by the Earth back in the 60's or something, i was wondering if we'd proved the compression(blueshift)?
 
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billy_boy_999 said:
has there been an experiment verifying the compressing of light's wavelength by gravity? i thought i heard of one verifying light's wavelength lengthening (redshift) by the Earth back in the 60's or something, i was wondering if we'd proved the compression(blueshift)?
The X-rays emitted by matter falling into black holes were a prediction of gravitational redshift via GR. They have been observationally verified.

For earth, I don't know - not a lot of gravity here (relatively speaking).
 
russ_watters said:
For earth, I don't know - not a lot of gravity here (relatively speaking).

Is there any other way to speak about gravity? :wink:
 
billy_boy_999 said:
has there been an experiment verifying the compressing of light's wavelength by gravity? i thought i heard of one verifying light's wavelength lengthening (redshift) by the Earth back in the 60's or something, i was wondering if we'd proved the compression(blueshift)?
Good question! One of the early 'gravitational redshift' experiments was (IIRC) a 57Fe gamma Mossbauer effect, over a vertical distance of several (tens of?) metres. I don't know if the experimenters went on to put the source on a higher storey of the lab building, and the detector at a lower one ... :smile:
 
If I'm not mistaken, Nereid, the Pound & Rebka experiment you cite (the one performed at the Harvard tower) involved beams going in both directions.

- Warren
 
excellent, so obviously compression has been pretty well proved, thanks guys
 

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