Derigible Lift Capacity: Calculations and Accuracy Explained

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The discussion revolves around the calculations and accuracy of lift capacity for a derigible (airship), focusing on the volume of airbags and their respective shapes. Participants explore different mathematical approaches to determine the lift capacity based on the volume of variously shaped airbags, including spherical and oval shapes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their calculations for the lift capacity of the derigible and seeks confirmation on their method.
  • Another participant suggests using different volume formulas for airbags, proposing spherical, cylindrical, and cubic shapes as alternatives.
  • A specific example is provided for spherical airbags, calculating a total volume that significantly exceeds the original participant's estimate.
  • A later reply clarifies that not all airbags are spherical, mentioning oval shapes and requesting a formula for calculating the volume of such shapes.
  • A formula for the volume of a spheroid is provided, which could apply to the oval-shaped airbags mentioned.
  • One participant inquires about the steering mechanism of the airship, indicating a shift in focus from lift calculations to operational aspects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct calculations or methods for determining lift capacity, as multiple approaches and shapes are discussed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the initial calculations and the appropriate formulas for different shapes of airbags.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the shapes of the airbags and the definitions of volume used in calculations. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the dimensions and configurations of the airbags.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in airship design, buoyancy calculations, and the mathematics of volume for various geometric shapes.

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Alright. I submit. I'm lost. I've been working on a plan for a derigible, or airship, and found that I've run into a problem. I've been using the equation:

[(H x W x L) x Pi] / 3

to calculate the capacity of the airbags within the derigible. I don't think this is correct so please help me there if you can. Anyway, the real problem is I don't think my results are acurate. I have looked up helium's lift capacity and found that it is 1 m3 can lift 91.82566798 grams, or 0.2024409 pounds. This seems logical, but that's not the problem either. After calculating the entire derigibles helium lift capacity (4869.468161 m3), I have found that it can only lift about 4471.4216659116718478 grams, or 985.77973565 pounds. This does not seem acurate seeing as the airship has 20 airbags ranging from 7x7x7 m to 12x8x7 m. I would think it could lift a bit more but, I am rather unexperienced in this field.

Can someone please confirm my calculations?
 
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Are you air bags shaped like cones? I would use spherical airbags [itex]V=\frac{4\pi r^3}{3}[/itex] or cylindrical [itex]V=\pi r^2 h[/itex] or even cubic air bags [itex]V=L \times W \times H[/itex]

For example: let's say the average radius of 20 spherical bags is 8.5 m thus:

[tex]V_{one sphere}=\frac{4\pi (8.5m)^3}{3}\approx 2572 m^3[/tex]

[tex]V_{all sphere}=V_{one sphere}\times 20 \approx 51448 m^3[/tex]

which can lift [itex]\approx[/itex]4682 kg, or 10322 lb.
 
Thanks a lot Faust9, I was really worried that all of my work had gone to crap. Anyway, there are some spherical airbags, but some are not spheres, more oval shape. circular shapes that are such sizes as 12x8x7 as an example. To be more specific, there are 6 7x7x7 airbags, 2 12x8x7 airbags, and 12 9x3x8 airbags. I can't seem to find an equation for oval shaped ones:

does anyone have an equation for that?
 
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Volume of a spheroid is π*a*b*c

Where a, b, and c are the semiaxes (like a radius in a single direction)
 
How are you planing to steer the airship?
 

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