Interstellar Medium and Pulsars

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The discussion revolves around a problem from Jackson regarding the interaction of the partially ionized interstellar medium with optical frequencies and the implications for pulsar signals. Participants explore the mathematical treatment of the problem, focusing on the behavior of an electronic plasma in a weak magnetic field and how to derive the transit time of a pulse from a pulsar.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in starting the problem and seeks assistance with the derivation of the transit time equation.
  • Another participant suggests reposting in a different forum for more targeted help.
  • A third participant presents a potential solution involving the relationship between group velocity and phase velocity in the context of an electronic plasma, including the derivation of the index of refraction and its implications for the transit time.
  • A later reply acknowledges the effort made by the third participant and asks for confirmation on the correctness of the presented solution.

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There is no consensus on the correctness of the solution presented, as one participant seeks validation while others have not confirmed or challenged the findings. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the accuracy of the mathematical approach.

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Participants have noted the dependence on assumptions such as the slowly varying electron density and the condition that the plasma frequency is much less than the optical frequency. These assumptions may affect the validity of the derived expressions.

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Originally posted in College Level Homework help but I got no responses there. Please help if you can.

I am studying for my qualifier and doing problems out of Jackson.
I am stuck on this one... any help would really be appreciated... I am unsure how to begin:
Jackson 7.15
The partially ionized interstellar medium (mostly hydrogen) responds to optical frequencies as an electronic plasma in a weak magnetic field. The broad-spectrum pulses from a pulsar allow determination of some average properties of the interstellar medium. The treatment of an electronic plasma in a magnetic field of Section 7.6 is pertinent.
a) Ignoring the weak magnetic field and assuming that [itex]max(w_p) \ll w[/itex], show that c times the transit time of a pulse of mean frequency w from a pulsar a distance R away is
[tex]ct(w) \approx R+\frac{e^2}{2 \epsilon_0 m_e w^2} \int n_e (z) dz[/tex]
where [itex]n_e (z)[/itex] is the electron density along the path of light.

so this is what I have so far:
ignoring the weak B-field the position has a solution of:
[tex]x=\frac{e}{m_e w^2}E[/tex]
and obviously ct(w) is a distance, but now I am lost...
Please help, I have been stumbling with this problem for a couple of days and it is turning into a monster that I need to solve.
Thanks for any help you can give.
(ps. I have read the pertinent section of Jackson over and over... I don't see any help in it.)
 
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I had a go at trying to be of help, but it's been too long since I did this stuff. Try posting (again) in the Stellar Astrophysics forum
 
I think I actually solved it...

if [tex]t=\int^r_0 \frac{1}{v_g} dz[/tex]

and I write
[tex]v_gv_p=c^2[/tex]

Assumming that the the electron density is slowly varying over a wavelength of radiation, so that it is reasonable to think about a slowly varying index of refraction n(w,z) is can write:

[tex]v_p=\frac{c}{n(w,z)}[/tex]

which implies that [tex]v_g=n(w,z) c[/tex]

for an electronic plasma: [tex]n(w,z)=\sqrt{1 - \frac {w_p^2}{w^2} }[/tex]

where [tex]w_p^2 =\frac{ n_e (z) e^2}{\epsilon_0 m_e}[/tex]
where [itex]n_e (z)[/itex] is the electron density

so therefore [tex]n(w,z)=\sqrt{1-\frac{n_e (z ) e^2}{\epsilon_0 m_e w^2}}[/tex]

and then [tex]v_g=c\sqrt{1-\frac{n_e (z ) e^2}{\epsilon_0 m_e w^2}}[/tex]

which implies that:
[tex]t=\frac{1}{c} \int_0^R (1-\frac{n_e (z ) e^2}{\epsilon_0 m_e w^2})^{-\frac{1}{2}} dz[/tex]

since [tex]w_p \ll w[/tex]:


[tex]ct(w) \approx \int_0^R (1+\frac{n_e (z) e^2}{2 \epsilon_0 m_e w^2}) dz[/tex]

finally:

[tex]ct(w) \approx R+\frac{e^2}{2 \epsilon_0 m_e w^2} \int^R_0 n_e(z ) dz[/tex]
 
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Chi Meson said:
I had a go at trying to be of help, but it's been too long since I did this stuff. Try posting (again) in the Stellar Astrophysics forum

Chi,

Thanks a lot for atleast trying... does the above look correct?
Thanks a lot,
Norm
 

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