Does anyone hear know anything about phhysics?

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The discussion revolves around fundamental questions in physics, particularly concerning the nature of particles such as electrons, protons, and gravitons. Participants explore various inquiries related to ultrahigh-energy particles, the stability of protons, and the definitions of fundamental particles, while also touching on the appropriateness of philosophical debates within a scientific forum context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in a report on ultrahigh-energy particles and questions the stability of protons as a test of theory.
  • Another participant suggests that the internet is a valuable resource for learning about cosmic accelerators and challenges others to define an electron.
  • A participant raises historical context by referencing Isaac Newton's and Einstein's work, questioning the current understanding of fundamental particles like electrons and gravitons.
  • There is a suggestion to move philosophical questions about scientific definitions to a more appropriate forum.
  • A participant expresses frustration over the inability to receive concise definitions of fundamental particles despite extensive research and inquiries to experts.
  • Another participant proposes that a better question might focus on measurable properties of electrons rather than their definitions.
  • One participant reflects on the complexity of defining an electron and suggests a list of its properties and measurements, linking it to broader theoretical concepts.
  • There is a request for context regarding the placement of comments in the discussion, indicating a desire for clarity in the ongoing dialogue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions of fundamental particles or the appropriateness of discussing philosophical questions in this thread. Multiple competing views and unresolved inquiries remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of fundamental particles and the limitations of current scientific understanding. There are references to unresolved questions and the challenge of articulating complex scientific concepts.

Terry Giblin
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physics_illiterate,

I found the web page you suggested very interesting.

You said that you were onto question regarding ultrahigh-energy particles.

Depending on which of the 11 questions you answered first will determine the ease and speed at which you can answer rest.

Where can get a copy of the report?
 
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Its a shame no one asked to comment on the report, was not a member of the club. If they had picked a member of the Fight Club for Scientists, they may have came up with a much simpler list of questions.

Which these 11 questions could be used to verify.

Are protons unstable, for example? - Good test of a theory.

Bad speller's of the world unite!

I would rather be bad at one thing and better at another than just be average at both...wouldn't you?
 
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jdavel said:
The website you want is google.com. Not only will you learn what a cosmic accelerator is, you'll learn how easy it is to learn about anything you're ever interested in learning about by using the internet.

Have fun!

One of us is wrong!

Have you seen the tv show called "John Doe" - I don't know if you have heard of it! John's a walking encyclopaedia, just like google on legs and with a brain...

I have challenged several of my friend's that John Doe or Google, cannot answer the following simple question;

"What is an electron?"

No one has yet came to claim their major prize by giving me an answer to a question that not even John Doe or Google has yet answered...
 
Terry, this is not the appropriate place to begin a philosophical debate about scientific definitions.

- Warren
 
"What is a graviton?" - Isaac Newton

chroot said:
Terry, this is not the appropriate place to begin a philosophical debate about scientific definitions.

- Warren

If I am answer the question in the wrong place, can you please let me know where I can get the answer to my simple question?

320 years ago Newton begain work on The Principia.

Exactly 100 years ago, Einstein wrote Special Relativity.

Yet 100 years afters Einstein discovery, whilst working in a PO in Switzerland, we still can not answer Newton's own question.

What a graviton is?

What an electron is?

What a photon is?

Or what a quark is?

I have already contacted several world leading experts and universities for advice and to ask their option, and it appears that these questions remain an open question.

If I can't ask Physics Forum - Who or where else can I find an answer to these basic questions?

There not on Google I have already checked.

Terry Giblin
 
You can ask those questions in our Philosophy of Science forum -- but not in a thread from a high-school student asking for help on a paper! We do not condone "hijacking" threads here. If you want to discuss that topic, I invite you to open another thread in the appropriate place.

- Warren
 
chroot said:
You can ask those questions in our Philosophy of Science forum -- but not in a thread from a high-school student asking for help on a paper! We do not condone "hijacking" threads here. If you want to discuss that topic, I invite you to open another thread in the appropriate place.

- Warren

Warren,

I apologise, if I have hijacked a thread by accident.

Would you classify the question "What is an electron?" as the subject of the "Philosophy of Science"?

On behalf of my children and I, all studying mathematics and physics, I would like to hear Physics Forums consensus option of "What is an electron?"

On a separate thread if required?

Regards

Terry Giblin
 
Terry, I would give you a physicists answer, but I suspect you already have in mind some pet theory or philosophy which confuses the point. So rather than go down that path (I have no interest), I suggest you do a little googling.

A better question would be, what can we measure about the electron, and/or how do we identify it relative to other fundamental particles?
 
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I would hope that's the point of PF.

Haelfix said:
Terry, I would give you a physicists answer, but I suspect you already have in mind some pet theory or philosophy which confuses the point. So rather than go down that path (I have no interest), I suggest you do a little googling.

A better question would be, what can we measure about the electron, and/or how do we identify it relative to other fundamental particles?


Haelfix,

Thank you for your suggestion, I shall bear it in mind, I apologise if I am not phasing my questions or options in the correct scientific context or language, I've not had a scientific discussion in a long time. I have a scientific background but have lost all the jargon, when I joined the human race. - Its a jungle out there...

Bearing your question in mind,

Where can I find the top 10 - 20 properties, measurements of an electron?

10-20 Quantum Properties
10-20 Electrical and magnetic properties
Particle properties
Wave properties
10-20 Optical wave properties
10-20 electron-positron experiments

How many other fundamental particle has such a list of measurements, and yet no one using all the above facts, measurements, results can summarise or give a concise description or theoretical description of exactly what an electron is?

Where would we be without the ‘simple’ electron?

The M-theorem’s mathematical intuition is definitely correct but should it not be the turn of the physicists to use his intuition to look objectively at all possible physical interpretations of this theory from strings to the notes, which they play and the harmonics they produce – does sound need a string to propagate, once the string is plucked – why do .

We cannot precisely measure or calculate precisely the various speeds and directions in a tornado or hurricane, but I can describe their properties using Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity, singularity or black hole or point of reflection.

But while you are pondering that thought, they say a picture paints a thousand words, please take a few seconds to look at a site I found.

http://www.nebulus.org/tutorials/2d/photoshop/color/

Think of dimensions, or leptons and baryons if you wish, as colours. Instead of three primary colours what if the was 8,9,10, 11 – or is that the screen or the cloud?

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Context and meaning are very important.

Warren,

Since you have already decided to move my comments to another thread, can you please at least put my comments into context, by including all related responses, including your own.

Please put my responses in their correct context and meaning.

Regards

Terry Giblin
 

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