Radius of cosmological mass-energy symmetry?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the concept of cosmological mass-energy symmetry, particularly focusing on the relationship between microscopic and macroscopic entities in the universe. Participants examine how these processes might coincide in intermediate space, considering both theoretical and observational perspectives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that there may be a distance or cosmological redshift where mass-energy processes balance, questioning how this symmetry manifests in the universe.
  • Others argue that looking outward in the universe is akin to looking inward at smaller scales, suggesting an equilibrium point where phenomena converge from both observer and deep field perspectives.
  • A participant raises the idea that larger scale structures might be projections of ancient small scale processes, prompting questions about the nature of the cosmic background radiation.
  • One participant challenges the notion of a "middlemost ground," seeking clarification on the relationship between symmetries in general relativity and quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant discusses specific local and global radii, questioning where local measurements first equal global production in the context of cosmic evolution.
  • There is a playful exchange regarding the idea of humans standing in the middle between the macroscopic and microscopic, with some humor about ego being a factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the concepts discussed, with no consensus reached on the nature of the middlemost ground or the specifics of cosmological symmetry. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the terminology and concepts used, indicating potential limitations in understanding the distinctions being made in the discussion.

Loren Booda
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Starting at the microscopic entities we observe in our immediate neighborhood outward, then tracing mass-energy evolution from the universal horizon inward, can we determine where processes of both coincide in intermediate space?

Our own Planck regions, quarks, protons, atoms, planets, stars and galaxies span away from our world. Likewise, we theorize or even witness the creation of these bodies in reversed order from the region of the background radiation.

Is there a distance or cosmological redshift for the symmetry that balances these physics? Is there also an explanation that the remote big bang, influenced by the local isometric geometry of expansion, manifests centrally as inhomogeneities?
 
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Greetings Loren !
Originally posted by Loren Booda
Starting at the microscopic entities we
observe in our immediate neighborhood outward,
then tracing mass-energy evolution from the
universal horizon inward, can we determine
where processes of both coincide in
intermediate space?

I have no idea what you mean (maybe that's
why I'm the only one answering :wink:).
I do not see the distinction you appear to
indicate.

How about this thought :
According to current physics I believe you
might say that everything becomes more of
a blur as it is further away from us in time
and space. We can think of ourselves as
our own candles in (an infinite ?) darkness.

Very poetic of me, but completely useless...

Live long and prosper.
 
Looking outward in many ways is equivalent to looking inward. The entities, particles and energy we experience on smaller and smaller scales, say from hydrogen atom to nucleon to quark, are similar in their exploration by both accelerator and telescope. I am trying to say that there is an equilibrium point where, starting from both observer and deep field, and extrapolating from quark to nucleon to atom to planet to star to galaxy to intergalactic space, these phenomena converge.

It is hard to imagine that what we consider to be the larger scale structures actually are a projection of ancient small scale processes. For instance, would your call the cosmic background radiation an artifact of the macroscopic or microscopic? Is not the initial singularity now spread across the sky? Therefore, what is the middlemost ground?
 
Greetings !

I'm sorry, but I still do not understand what
you mean by "the middlemost ground" ?

We have symmetry for space-time in GR and
symmetries for the other forces in QM,
are you referring to their points of
disagreement (doesn't look like that, but
I don't get it) ?

Live long and prosper.
 
Take physics at local radius r-->0. This physics is the same as that observed relatively to global radius R-->Rhorizon. Increase the local radius measured to rn=10-13 cm, then observe nucleons correspondent to nucleon production at a relative global distance Rn just within Rhorizon. Increase the local radius measured to rH=10-8 cm, then observe hydrogen correspondent to hydrogen production at a global distance RH<Rn<Rhorizon.

Our Sun is observed to have a local radius of rS=7 x 1010 cm, our Galaxy of rG=7 x 1022 cm, and clusters of up to rc=1025 cm. Reciprocally, the relative scale of initial entity creation follows globally inward from the horizon: stars are formed, then galaxies, then clusters, where Rclusters<Rgalaxies<Rstars<RH<Rn, but rclusters>rgalaxies>rstars>rH>rn.

My question for the equilbrium between local measurement and global production might be phrased "Where is rx first equal to Rx, and for what x?"
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
Looking outward in many ways is equivalent to looking inward. The entities, particles and energy we experience on smaller and smaller scales, say from hydrogen atom to nucleon to quark, are similar in their exploration by both accelerator and telescope. I am trying to say that there is an equilibrium point where, starting from both observer and deep field, and extrapolating from quark to nucleon to atom to planet to star to galaxy to intergalactic space, these phenomena converge.

It is hard to imagine that what we consider to be the larger scale structures actually are a projection of ancient small scale processes. For instance, would your call the cosmic background radiation an artifact of the macroscopic or microscopic? Is not the initial singularity now spread across the sky? Therefore, what is the middlemost ground?

We are. We (humans) stand in the middle between the macroscopic large and the microscopic small.
 
Originally posted by heusdens
We are. We (humans) stand in the
middle between the macroscopic large and the
microscopic small.
Oh really ? Maybe it's something bigger,
like our egos...
 
heusdens-

Please refer to my previous posts. Did I ever ask
what stands in the middle between the macroscopic large and the microscopic small
?
 
Actually, I'm STILL not certain what you're
asking. :frown:
 

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