This relativistic kinetic energy equation makes no sense to me

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The discussion centers around the relativistic kinetic energy equation and its interpretation, particularly in relation to the classical kinetic energy formula. Participants explore the mathematical representation of kinetic energy in the context of special relativity and express confusion regarding the transition from classical to relativistic expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the relativistic kinetic energy equation, given as mc² / √(1 - v²/c²), can represent kinetic energy, contrasting it with the classical expression 1/2 mv².
  • Another participant asserts that the equation can be understood by expanding it in powers of v/c, leading to a cancellation of terms and revealing that the leading term corresponds to classical kinetic energy.
  • A third participant mentions the use of the binomial theorem to show that the relativistic kinetic energy expression aligns with the classical definition at non-relativistic speeds.
  • One participant notes a lack of familiarity with series, which contributes to their confusion regarding the equation.
  • A participant confirms that the kinetic energy is derived from the relativistic equation by subtracting the rest energy (mc²), suggesting that the remainder must be kinetic energy.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between an equation and a formula, with varying interpretations provided by participants.

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Participants generally express confusion about the relativistic kinetic energy equation, but there is no consensus on its interpretation. Multiple views on the relationship between the relativistic and classical expressions are presented, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for mathematical expansions and series, indicating that understanding may depend on familiarity with these concepts. There are also references to rounding issues in calculations, which may affect results.

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This "relativistic kinetic energy" equation makes no sense to me

Presently, I'm reading an e-book I found on the internet titled "Relativity: The Special and General Theory", which may or may not have been written by Albert Einstein. Here's the part which has me in deep patatoes:

In accordance with the theory of relativity the kinetic energy of a material point of mass m is no longer given by the well−known expression:

1/2 mv^2

but by the expression:

mc^2 / (squareroot)1 - v^2/c^2

The author then mentions developing the equation into a series. I just can't understand how the second equation can represent kinetic energy.

Also, what's the difference between an equation and formula?
 
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JJ said:
Presently, I'm reading an e-book I found on the internet titled "Relativity: The Special and General Theory", which may or may not have been written by Albert Einstein.

Einstein did write it.

The author then mentions developing the equation into a series.

Right. Express K as:

K=gmc2-mc2, then expand g in powers of v/c. The leading term in the expansion will be mc2, which will cancel with the -mc2 in the expression for K. The surviving leading term will be (1/2)mv2.

I just can't understand how the second equation can represent kinetic energy.

Do the expansion, and you'll see it.

Also, what's the difference between an equation and formula?

Both have an = sign, so none that I can see.
 
binomial expansion

JJ said:
The author then mentions developing the equation into a series. I just can't understand how the second equation can represent kinetic energy.
Keep reading and studying and it will start to make sense. :smile:

By using the binomial theorem, one can show that for normal, non-relativistic speeds--where v/c is small--that expression for relativistic KE is equivalent to the ordinary definition of 1/2mV2. (That's what they mean by writing the equation as a series.) Here's a site that works it out:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/releng.html#c6

So, the expression is not that strange after all.

Note: Oops... Tom beat me to it!
 
Well, I've never learned series, so that's why it flew over my head.
 
So the kinetic energy of an object would be the second equation minus mc^2? It gives good results when I test it. My calculator has a habit of rounding off numbers, how can i fix it?
 
JJ said:
I just can't understand how the second equation can represent kinetic energy.
It removes the rest energy, so, whatever is left over must be kinetic.




JJ said:
Also, what's the difference between an equation and formula?
An equation relates two mathematical objects by declaring that they have the same value. It may or may not impose subordination of one object to another. A formula is a mathematical machine from which you put in your knowns to get a meaningful result. Subordination of the result is implied.
 

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