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| Jul15-09, 03:20 PM | #256 |
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Algae to the rescue |
| Jul16-09, 12:33 AM | #257 |
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To me the idea of using algae for the remediation of coal gasses is a bit ironic considering that we might be able to replace the coal with algae and close the loop. |
| Jul16-09, 12:54 AM | #258 |
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Interestingly, one scientist claims that no matter what strain is considered, the rate of oil production [for good oil producers] is nearly a constant, which may make sense from an energy standpoint. But there is no doubt that growing the stuff from a pure culture is a limiting factor for continuous production. |
| Jul16-09, 11:07 AM | #259 |
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Here's only blurb available on the SGI site regarding the synthetic strain:
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| Jul16-09, 01:14 PM | #260 |
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Here's a particularly articulate explanation of the state of algae technology and barriers to exploitation from the venture capitalist guru Khosla:
General business model goals for any tech business: |
| Jul16-09, 01:46 PM | #261 |
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Obviously Exxon sees it a little differently.
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| Jul16-09, 02:57 PM | #262 |
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While there were and are a good number of practical engineering challenges for algae-fuel production, as far as I know, there is one and only one reason why we didn't do this long ago: The price of crude was too low.
When the Aqautic Species Program concluded, http://www.nrel.gov/docs/legosti/fy98/24190.pdf it was estimated that biodiesel from algae might be competitive when diesel was over $2 per gallon. At that time, diesel was about $1 per gallon. Now that the price of crude has a floor near or above the critical threshold for biodiesel to be competitive with petrodiesel, we are seeing a growing interest in viable alternatives to crude oil. I have yet to see any alternative that offers the range of benefits found in using algae derived biodiesel as our primary energy source. After studying this option for about six months, I began to see that it is truly the elegant solution to our energy problems: 1). Does not need to compete with food crops 2). Does not need to use fresh water 3). Highest energy conversion rate of any plant [with qualifer stated earlier] 4). Greatest yield per acre-yr of any biofuel option 5). About 1.6 times the energy density of ethanol, and as good as gasoline 6). High lubricity of biodiesel allows for more efficient operation of engine [as seen in the Boeing test flight] 7). Diesel engines are about 1.4 times more efficient than internal combustion enginers 8). CO2 neutral 9). Clean diesel cars are already sold in Europe. The Honda diesel gets better mileage than the Honda hybrid. The proof in in the pudding! 10). Compatible with existing energy infrastructure. 11). The conversion to a biofuel economy can be implemented relatively quickly 12). Algae can be used to produce diesel, ethanol, and Hydrogen. So the development of algae technologies could be a stepping stone to a Hydrogen Economy. 13). Having a value of ~ $600 Billion annually - money sent to foreign oil suppliers - a domestic algae program would eliminate at least 60% of the trade deficit [depending on the current price of crude]. 14). Can be used to remediate CO2 as well as toxic and other waste products from agriculture, industry, and municipalities. 15). While not necessary, it could be scaled-up to provide 100% of the required energy for the world. |
| Jul16-09, 03:34 PM | #263 |
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| Jul17-09, 02:55 AM | #264 |
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The problem that I saw that led to my own efforts was that far too many people were taking high-tech, high-cost-per-unit-area approaches in the form of exotic bioreactors. In some cases it was nothing more than a scam. In others, the people developing the systems didn't have even a fundamental understanding of the limits on production as determined by the solar energy input. In others, it was impossible to know because the information was proprietary. The bottom line is that the cost per unit area for the bioreactor must be very low. In my own plan, I was driven to a price of less than $1000 per acre with a three-year life for the hardware, in order to be competitive at around $3 per gallon [retail]. But this was for a fresh-water, land-based system, and assumed only traditional methods of production and the known strains of algae at that time. Needless to say, this required some very innovative approaches to bioreactor designs.
I think there is little doubt that closed, batch systems, are the way to go. At the least, we know that contamination problems in open systems are generally prohibitive to that approach. The only exception may be when indiginous and dominant strains are acceptable oil producers. But even then, there is no way to be certain that an existing strain, say in a lake, won't be replaced by another or simply die off. Also, strains can mutate quickly. Apparently there are effectively algae wars in the wild, in which each strain mutates until one has an advantage and displaces the other. Probably one of the best ideas that we came across was that of using batch bags, if you will, that are suspended in water; say for example, in the ocean. This all but eliminates the problems of temperature regulation and contamination. |
| Jul17-09, 03:33 PM | #265 |
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| Jul17-09, 04:03 PM | #266 |
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It is possible, but just barely. It took months to come up with something that might be mangeable. Part of the solution was to recognize the value of innovative land preparation. Would it have worked? It worked well at small scale, but things fell apart [financing] before we got any farther. My best hope for a major investor just went bankrupt due to the economy - he was heavily dependent on the auto industry.
Some designs out there can't even hope to be competitive until the price of fuel reaches $15 to $25 per gallon, retail. However, if the processing costs can be reduced as in the example you gave [no need for dewatering or oil extraction], the cost per unit area can be increased signficantly. This because there are both high startup costs as well as high operating costs for the processing equipment. One real advantage to using ocean-based systems, beyond the issue of water, is that the cost of land evaporates! |
| Jul19-09, 05:15 PM | #267 |
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Why not just harvest kelp and other natural occurring algaes in open ocean or tideland areas and process in land based plants. Use solar energy to dry the kelp then process to extract the oils and other combustible components. I grew up in Southern California and saw kelp harvesting all the time. I think they were after Iodine and soda ash, but I'm sure there are a good source of energy products even methane. This would solve the land and water problem.
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| Jul19-09, 06:55 PM | #268 |
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| Jul19-09, 10:55 PM | #269 |
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To the best of my knowledge, as for kelp, there is absolutely no evidence that would work. Also, as stated earlier, most wild algae strains tend to be poor producers of oil. This in turn means that the processing costs [dollars and energy] would be exceedingly high for each gallon of oil. While it may be possible to use wild strains of algae as biomass for the generation of electrical power [burned directly], this has yet to be demonstrated. Only in very rare cases would an indiginous and dominant wild strain be appropriate for oil production.
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| Jul23-09, 09:12 AM | #270 |
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About the Exxon numbers: I just noticed in another news release that they claim corn ethanol produces 250 gallons per acre-year. This is almost certainly a net yield - includes the energy required for processing - not the gross yield, which is normally cited as being 400 gallons per acre-year. If we assume the same is true for their number for algae - 2000 gallons per acre-year as a net yield - then that is about what I would expect as well. While I think there is reasonable hope for higher numbers over time, for now, 2000 GPAY net is probably reasonable.
All in all, an order of magnitude better than corn is a good start. |
| Jul24-09, 06:59 PM | #271 |
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Thank you for keeping on these developments Ivan!
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| Jul27-09, 03:52 PM | #272 |
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According to the calculations by Dr. David JC MacKay in his book "Sustainable Energy – without the hot air", it looks like CO2 enriched algae is about 20 times better than corn based ethanol per square meter. The numbers were:
Bioethanol from corn: 0.2W/m2 Bioethanol from sugar cane: 1.2W/m2 CO2 Enriched Algae Biodiesal: 4W/m2 The calculations are on pages 284-285 You can download the whole book here: http://www.withouthotair.com/download.html Or go straight to the html page here: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/w...page_284.shtml The printed version actually says 0.02 for corn but there is a errata entry in the html version that says: |
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