Proving (n^4) + 4 is Composite for All n>1: The Odd n Case

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The discussion revolves around proving that \( n^4 + 4 \) is composite for all \( n > 1 \), specifically focusing on the case when \( n \) is odd. Participants explore various approaches to this problem, including attempts at factorization and identifying patterns in the factors of specific values of \( n \).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the proof for odd \( n \) cannot be achieved through direct factorization of \( (2k+1)^4 + 4 \) and suggests that a different method is necessary.
  • Another participant proposes that examining factors that occur frequently could be beneficial and suggests solving the problem by cases.
  • Several participants provide examples of specific odd values of \( n \) and their corresponding factorizations, questioning whether a pattern exists among these factors.
  • A participant presents a potential factorization of \( n^4 + 4 \) using the difference of squares, indicating a mathematical approach to the problem.
  • There is a light-hearted exchange regarding the participants' understanding and contributions to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether a discernible pattern exists in the factors of \( n^4 + 4 \) for odd \( n \). While some provide examples that suggest a pattern, others remain skeptical about the existence of a consistent method for proving the composite nature of the expression.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem and the limitations of their current approaches, particularly in the context of odd \( n \). There is also a mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the timing of posts, which may affect the flow of the discussion.

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How do you prove that (n^4) +4 is composite for all n>1 ?

I found this problem in a book I was reading. The even n part is obvious. The proof for odd n cannot be done by trying to factorize [(2k+1)^4]+4. I know this is true, because I've tried and moreover, the factors of the first few such numbers are : (2*2*5),(5*17),(2*2*5*13),(17*37),(2*2*5*5*13),(5*13*37),... The expected factors of 4 appear in the even numbers, but the factors for the odds seem patternless. So, I imagine that the proof must be done by some other means.

Any ideas ?
 
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Are there any factors that tend to occur frequently? Maybe you can solve the problem by cases.
 
Gokul43201 said:
(2*2*5),(5*17),(2*2*5*13),(17*37),(2*2*5*5*13),(5*13*37),... The expected factors of 4 appear in the even numbers, but the factors for the odds seem patternless.

Are you sure they're patternless? Just look at the odd n for now:

n=3: n^4+4 = 5*17
n=5: n^4+4 = 17*37
n=7: n^4+4 = 5*13*37 = 37*65

And I'll add n=9 for you:

n=9: n^4+4 = 5*13*101 = 65*101

See any pattern yet? That should lead you to the general proof.
 
thanks

thanks crag,
I must be blind !
 
On no! The blind leading the blind! :cool:
 
how about:
[tex]n^4 + 4 = n^4 + 4 - 4n^2 + 4n^2 = (n^2 + 2)^2 - (2n)^2 = (n^2 + 2n + 2)(n^2 - 2n + 2)[/tex]
:)

edit:
sorry, i pulled up an old post... just realized that it's from April not May 20th...
 
yrch said:
edit:
sorry, i pulled up an old post... just realized that it's from April not May 20th...

What a terrible misdemeanor on your part...
I am almost tempted not to welcome you :smile:
 
thanks, yrch...that's nice.

Now I really feel like $#!+.
 
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