What is the True Quantum of Nature and its Relationship to Mass and Forces?

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The discussion centers around the nature of forces, particularly gravity, and its relationship to mass and the concept of a "true quantum" of nature. Participants explore the characteristics of various forces, their interactions, and propose theoretical frameworks for understanding these phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that gravity is unique among forces as it only "pulls," while others, like magnetism, can "push."
  • Another participant argues that most forces exhibit both pulling and pushing characteristics, citing electromagnetism and the strong force as examples.
  • A claim is made that gravity's effects are not canceled out, making it the most noticeable force in the universe.
  • One participant introduces the idea that gravity and another unspecified force are "lock-in together" at an infinitesimal region of spacetime, leading to a net effect of only "pull." This suggests a unique interaction between these forces.
  • A mathematical relationship is proposed, where the interaction of forces at an infinitesimal region creates a Local Infinitesimal Motion (LIM), defined by a specific equation involving energy and force components.
  • The concept of a "true quantum of nature" is introduced, which is linked to the definitions of potential mass and kinetic mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of forces, particularly regarding whether they primarily pull or push. There is no consensus on the definitions of mass or the proposed mathematical relationships, leaving the discussion unresolved.

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The discussion involves complex interactions and definitions that may depend on specific interpretations of force and mass, which are not universally agreed upon among participants.

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I was just thinking, and gravity, is the only invisible force that "pulls" everything else i can think of, besides magnetism, is a "push". can anyone else think of anything?
 
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Most forces are both. Electromagnetism has opposite effects based on charge. The strong force pushes things that are close, pulls things that are farther, then has negligible efect at long distance. Gravity just pulls. This is why it is the most noticeable force ... it is uncancelled in the grand scheme of things.

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To every force, there is an equal and opposite force. But for gravity, these two forces are lock-in together (quantized) at the infinitesimal region of spacetime. And these two forces are not exactly equal in magnitude or exactly opposite in direction giving rise to a net effect of only "pull."
 
The interaction of these two forces at the infinitesimal region of space creates a Local Infinitesimal Motion (LIM). This LIM is the square of energy, E, given by the following:

[tex]E^2 = F_i \times r_i \cdot F_j \times r_j[/tex]

The square of energy can be called the true quantum of nature. This true quantum gives the definition of two kinds of mass: the potential mass (same as inertial and gravitational mass) and the kinetic mass (which is really the mass component of momentum (linear or angular)).
 

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