Is f(x) = 1/√x Continuous as x Approaches 4?

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The discussion centers around the continuity of the function f(x) = 1/√x as x approaches 4, specifically exploring the limit of f(x) as x approaches this value. Participants are engaged in a delta-epsilon proof to establish whether the limit exists and what its value might be.

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  • One participant suggests that to prove the limit exists, they need to show |f(x) - l| < ε for some chosen l, initially proposing l = 1/2.
  • Another participant emphasizes that there is no general technique for finding limits and that it is valid to investigate whether 1/2 is indeed the limit value.
  • A participant expresses confusion about their approach and seeks clarification on how to relate ε to δ in their proof.
  • Some participants discuss the manipulation of inequalities and the need to ensure that certain conditions hold for their chosen δ.
  • One participant proposes letting δ = 3ε and discusses the implications of this choice, while also questioning if anything is missing from their reasoning.
  • Another participant suggests a refinement to the approach by recommending that δ be the smaller of 3ε and 1 to ensure both conditions are satisfied.

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Participants express uncertainty about their approaches and calculations, with no consensus on the correctness of the proofs or the limit value. Multiple competing views on how to structure the proof and the choice of δ remain evident throughout the discussion.

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Participants highlight limitations in their reasoning, particularly regarding the direction of inequalities and the assumptions made about ε and δ. There are unresolved mathematical steps and dependencies on specific choices of δ that are not fully clarified.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in understanding delta-epsilon proofs, limit concepts, and the nuances of continuity in mathematical functions.

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Ok well i did problems like this before but now I am having trouble with this one for some reason.

Let [tex]f(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}[/tex]. Give a [tex]\delta[/tex] - [tex]\epsilon[/tex] proof that [tex]f(x)[/tex] has a limit as [tex]x \rightarrow 4[/tex].

So the defn of a limit is
[tex]\forall \epsilon > 0 \exists \delta > 0[/tex] such that whenever [tex]0 < |x - 4| < \delta[/tex] then [tex]|f(x) - l| < \epsilon[/tex]
Assuming the limit we are trying to prove is [tex]l[/tex].

So i know i somehow have to turn [tex]|f(x) - l| < \epsilon[/tex] into something with [tex]x - 4 < ...[/tex] and that will prove that the limit exists. Am i correct? Am i on the right track? can i assume that [tex]l = \frac{1}{2}[/tex] since [tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{4}}[/tex]?
 
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1. There exists no general technique to find a limit.
What the d,e-business is about in this case (I think), is to investigate whether an arbitrarily chosen number l is, in fact, the limit value.
So, it is perfectly legitimate to investigate whether the number 1/2 is the limit value or not.
 
Well, I tried to do this, but I sort of got stuck at the end, so if anyone can check & let us know where I've gone wrong and how to complete it correctly, I'd appreciate it.

I started with the "guess" that the limit is 1/2, and therefore we need to show that
[tex]\left| \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} - \frac{1}{2} \right| < \epsilon \: \text{whenever}\: 0 < |x-4| < \delta[/tex]
If I combine the fractions and require δ < 1, then 3 < x < 5 and √x > 1, so
[tex]\left| \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} - \frac{1}{2} \right| = \left| \frac{2 - \sqrt{x}}{2\sqrt(x)}\right| < \left| \frac{2 - \sqrt{x}}{2}\right| < \epsilon[/tex]

[tex]-\epsilon \;< \; \frac{2 - \sqrt{x}}{2} \;<\; \epsilon[/tex]

[tex]-2\epsilon \;< \; 2 - \sqrt{x} \;<\; 2\epsilon[/tex]

[tex]-2\epsilon -2 \;<\; - \sqrt{x} \;<\; 2\epsilon -2[/tex]

[tex]4\epsilon^2 +8\epsilon +4 \;>\; x \;>\; 4 - 8\epsilon + 4\epsilon^2[/tex]

[tex]4\epsilon^2 + 8\epsilon \;>\; x-4\; >\; 4\epsilon^2 - 8\epsilon[/tex]

[tex]4\epsilon^2 - 8\epsilon \text{ is no good, since for small values of }\epsilon \text { that will be negative,}[/tex]
[tex]\text{ so does this mean that for any value of }\epsilon \text{ , choosing}[/tex]
[tex]\delta \;<\; 4\epsilon^2 + 8\epsilon \:\text{satisfies the proof?}[/tex]

I really don't feel good about this conclusion and I'm getting confused over the directions of the inequalities, so someone please help.

Edit: well, the more I look at it, the more convinced I am that this is wrong, so if anyone can help, please do.
 
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|2- sqrt(x)| < (2+sqrt(x))(2+sqrt(x)) = |4-x| < d

that any help?
 
No, I still don't see it.
I assume you meant to write |2- sqrt(x)| < (2-sqrt(x))(2+sqrt(x)) = |4-x| < d

But we need
[tex]\left| \frac{2 - \sqrt{x}}{2\sqrt{x}}\right| < \epsilon[/tex]

whenever
[tex]\left|2-\sqrt{x}\right| \left|2+\sqrt{x}\right| = \left|4-x\right| < \delta[/tex]

and I'm still not seeing how to relate ε to δ

Presumably we need
[tex]\delta = ({2+\sqrt{x})\epsilon}[/tex]
but I don't know how to accomplish that.
 
I bet you know something smaller than (2 + &radic;x)&epsilon; that doesn't depend on x!
 
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I should probably stick to my own homework. :redface:

That was all wrong. Still working on it.
 
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OK, now I let δ = 3ε, and keep the restriction 3<x<5 which is reasonable since we're interested in values of x close to 4.

So if
[tex]0 < |x-4| < \delta[/tex]
then
[tex]0 < |\sqrt{x}-2|\times(\sqrt{x}+2) < 3\epsilon[/tex]
Now divide by 3
[tex]0 < |\sqrt{x}-2|\times \frac{(\sqrt{x}+2)}{3} < \epsilon[/tex]
And since √x is definitely bigger than 1, we know that
[tex]\frac{(\sqrt{x}+2)}{3} > 1[/tex]
so
[tex]\left| \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} - \frac{1}{2} \right| = \left| \frac{2 - \sqrt{x}}{2\sqrt{x}}\right| < \left|{2 - \sqrt{x}}\right| < |\sqrt{x} - 2|\times \frac{(\sqrt{x}+2)}{3} < \epsilon[/tex]

Is that it? Did I spend all this time just to find that? :eek:

Now it looks right to me. Is anything missing?

Is there some obvious clue that I should have seen that would have told me to try δ = 3ε?

Thanks for your help, Matt & Hurkyl. Please let me know if this still needs more work.

(Edited to correct typos.)
 
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Aside from the typo, looks right.

Incidentally, if you wanted to sew up the loose end, the trick to saying:

"OK, now I let &delta; = 3&epsilon;, and keep the restriction 3<x<5 which is reasonable since we're interested in values of x close to 4."

is "let &delta; be the smaller of 3&epsilon; and 1"

So that way you have both |x-4| < 3&epsilon; and |x-4| < 1
 

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