Warning - Poetry Shortens Your Life

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The discussion revolves around a study suggesting that poets tend to die younger than other types of writers, such as novelists and playwrights. Participants explore potential reasons for this phenomenon, including the emotional toll of poetry and societal recognition of poets compared to other writers. The conversation touches on themes of mental health, the nature of artistic recognition, and personal experiences with poetry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a study by James Kaufman indicating that poets have a shorter average lifespan compared to other writers, with poets living an average of 62 years.
  • One participant suggests that the emotional struggles associated with poetry may lead to higher rates of depression and suicide among poets.
  • Another participant notes that poets may not receive the same level of recognition as novelists, potentially contributing to feelings of unappreciation.
  • There is a mention of Kenneth Rexroth's claim regarding suicide as a leading cause of death among American poets of 'anthology rank.'
  • Several participants share personal anecdotes about feeling depressed after engaging with certain poems, indicating a shared emotional response to poetry.
  • A question is raised about the average lifespan of physicists, leading to a humorous exchange about the relativity of frames of reference.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and skepticism regarding the implications of the study. While some acknowledge the potential link between poetry and emotional distress, others question the lack of detailed cause-of-death analysis and the broader implications of the findings.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexities surrounding the emotional impact of poetry or the societal recognition of poets versus other writers. There is also uncertainty regarding the average lifespan of physicists, which remains unaddressed.

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Poets die young - younger than novelists, playwrights and other writers, a US researcher says.

It could be because poets are tortured and prone to self-destruction, or it could be that poets become famous young, so their early deaths are noticed, said James Kaufman of the Learning Research Institute at California State University at San Bernardino.

For the report, published in the Journal of Death Studies, Kaufman studied 1,987 dead writers from various centuries from the United States, China, Turkey and Eastern Europe. He classified the writers as fiction writers, poets, playwrights, and non-fiction writers. He did not study the causes of death.

"Among American, Chinese and Turkish writers, poets died significantly younger than non-fiction writers," Kaufman wrote in the report. "Among the entire sample, poets died younger than both fiction writers and non-fiction writers."

Because Kaufman studied some writers who lived hundreds of years ago, it is impossible to compare their average age of death to that of the general population.

"On average, poets lived 62 years, playwrights 63 years, novelists 66 years and non-fiction writers lived 68 years," Kaufman said in an interview conducted by e-mail. [continued]

http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3782-3279948,00.html

Not to be knocking great literature since I really do have a great appreciation for what I have read, but while in college I did notice that the stuff is often really depressing. I remember being depressed for days while I had to read and analyze Hemmingway’s "To Kill an Elephant".
 
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Is that a maniac theory or what!
 
Kenneth Rexroth, a critic and poet, stated years ago that "The leading cause of death among American poets of 'anthology rank' is suicide."
 
I agree it would have been better if they broke down the causes of death, at least into general categories of "natural causes" and "suicide." It does seem, from the perspective of the casual observer, that poets are more depressed and use poetry as an outlet for that depression. It also seems to me that the other categories of writers are more likely to see their works published and gaining fame in their lifetime, so would get more reward for their efforts. Even a very popular poem just doesn't get the same sort of recognition as a best-selling novel, so someone who is seriously trying to earn a living as a poet is probably going to spend life feeling pretty unappreciated...not unlike the starving artist whose paintings don't catch on as something collectors want until after the artist's death.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3782-3279948,00.html

Not to be knocking great literature since I really do have a great appreciation for what I have read, but while in college I did notice that the stuff is often really depressing. I remember being depressed for days while I had to read and analyze Hemmingway’s "To Kill an Elephant".

True, very depressing. I remember feeling depressed for a while when I had to write a report on a poem entitled "Vergissmeinnicht".

http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/710.html

EDIT: The author of the poem "Vergissmeinnicht", Keith Douglas, died shortly after he wrote this poem during the invasion of Normandy.
 
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motai said:
True, very depressing. I remember feeling depressed for a while when I had to write a report on a poem entitled "Vergissmeinnicht".

I got depressed when I got my grade on my research paper on "Porpyria's Lover" by Robert Browning.
 
Ivan Seeking said:
http://xtramsn.co.nz/news/0,,3782-3279948,00.html
"On average, poets lived 62 years, playwrights 63 years, novelists 66 years and non-fiction writers lived 68 years," Kaufman said in an interview conducted by e-mail."

What's the average lifespan of a physicist?
 
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Math Is Hard said:
What's the average lifespan of a physicist?

In whose frame of reference? :biggrin:
 
Ivan Seeking said:
In whose frame of reference? :biggrin:

Eep! I hadn't thought of that! :eek:
 

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