Is there any real difference between "reality" and a dream???


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You're reading this right now, and it might seem very real to you. You might truly believe that you really are reading this. Why do you believe that though? The answer must, at least in part, lie with the fact that you are unconsciously basing that assumption on the fact that various electrical process in your brain are telling you that this brief moment in your daily life is "real".

But a "dream" is again, nothing more than electrical processes in the brain. Usually, we awaken from a dream, and might dismiss it as something that never happened in "reality".

But if you believe that your decision to click on this thread just a minute ago was "reality", do you have anything other than electrical processes in your brain to base that assumption upon?

It seems to me, that if every recollection of our lives is but the result of electrical processes in the brain, then there ought to be no real difference, nor no bias in terms of "importance", between so-called "reality" and a "dream".
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A maximum of 2 senses can be active at a time during a dream. In reality you can use all of your senses at once. :)






Hey... what?... it sounds really really good!
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You're reading this right now, and it might seem very real to you.
Yes it does. And while dreams can seem real to me, context is everything.

I know I fall asleep at night and within the bounds of that experience, I know I have 'experiences'.

Those experiences however seem of a different quality. They are inconsistent and disjointed.

I'm one of those people who doesn't remember much of my dreams, so it may be easier for me. Some people have very vivid dreams and remember them, some can even control their dreams and dream lucidly.

Most I think would agree that there is more continuity to 'waking life'. I wake up mostly where I left off. Unless I've had too much to drink, of course.

But even that last one is in context. I've discovered over my life that certain things cause inconsistency in perception. And I've compared that to the experiences that others tell me about.

Its not perfect, but we have a relatively solid foundation to distinguish dreams and waking life... at least in terms of the quality of the experience.

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Is there any real difference between "reality" and a dream???


It took me a long time to come across it but now that I've found it, it's never failed.

There is one incontrivertible difference that sets dreams apart from reality - a subtle "simulation glitch" that lets me test which state I am currently in.


If, after peeing, I don't feel the urge to pee any longer, I'm awake.
If, after peeing, I perplexingly still feel the urge to pee, I'm dreaming.

I sh*ite you not.
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A maximum of 2 senses can be active at a time during a dream...
Where did you get this information? Are you joking?
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I agree with everything Joe said, but also, what's shared between a dream and reality is that we with both see imagery, have emotions, it's called an experience.
These two types of experiences come from the same thing, the brain.
We can separate a dream from reality because of what Joe said, but also within the context of reality, a dream is a phenomena we know happens when we sleep.
While yeah, you can say all of reality is a dream, from a kind of solipsists point of view, but a sleep dream is nothing more than a phenomena within the brain, within reality(which may be defines as a dream in some cases.)

There's no reason to say reality isn't 'real' though. What people experience in their lives is as real as it's going to get, at least from our perspective the way we are made.
It's all we got really, so why not believe it?
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Where did you get this information? Are you joking?
Yes... I was joking
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Physicist Victor Stenger argues that reality is point-of-view invariant, whereas this might not apply to dreams.
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The pee test can be dangerous. More then once, when young, I found after peeing in a dream I no longer needed to pee.


I think an interesting variation on the question would be to theorize the presence of a powerful hallucinogen such as DMT rather than a dream state. While under the influence of such a drug, the break with reality can become total. The hallucinogenic state can have self-consistent history and rules. It can also include time effects making it seem to go on indefinitely, and to have been going on indefinitely. Perhaps, we are all tripping right now.
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I've noticed that I do not have shadows in my dreams...
..not sure what that means..
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Quote Quote by Holocene View Post
You're reading this right now, and it might seem very real to you. You might truly believe that you really are reading this. Why do you believe that though? The answer must, at least in part, lie with the fact that you are unconsciously basing that assumption on the fact that various electrical process in your brain are telling you that this brief moment in your daily life is "real".

But a "dream" is again, nothing more than electrical processes in the brain. Usually, we awaken from a dream, and might dismiss it as something that never happened in "reality".

But if you believe that your decision to click on this thread just a minute ago was "reality", do you have anything other than electrical processes in your brain to base that assumption upon?

It seems to me, that if every recollection of our lives is but the result of electrical processes in the brain, then there ought to be no real difference, nor no bias in terms of "importance", between so-called "reality" and a "dream".

To answer your question within your title....

Control is what the difrince is... and due to the fact, in your reality everyone els is there in there reality as well, but in a dream you alone would be in your own created reality in your head.

thats the answer to your question in your title :/ and its true and correct

And anyways... are brain is are mind and are mind is are brain... so are brain is us, and are mind is us... the only difrence would be the mind speak's english...
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It is real beacuse i say it's real, so therefore i make it real -.-

why when i say it's real it make's it real?
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The answer must, at least in part, lie with the fact that you are unconsciously basing that assumption on the fact that various electrical process in your brain are telling you that this brief moment in your daily life is "real".

But a "dream" is again, nothing more than electrical processes in the brain. Usually, we awaken from a dream, and might dismiss it as something that never happened in "reality".
The difference should be pretty obvious: when you are awake, those electrical impulses are generated/formed by your external senses. In a dream, the "reality" is generated internally.

It just sounds to me like you need to watch the Matrix again - you don't quite have it down.
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The difference should be pretty obvious: when you are awake, those electrical impulses are generated/formed by your external senses. In a dream, the "reality" is generated internally.

It just sounds to me like you need to watch the Matrix again - you don't quite have it down.
LOL yea that movie dose portray it in a way just about everyone can understand...

But nature tell's the story much better :/
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Apr7-08, 08:38 PM
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Descartes did this first.

The answer is, erm, yes. Of course there is a difference between reality and dreams. Think about it.

But producing an argument to the conclusion that we can know we're not dreaming sounds kind of tricky, and therein lies the attractiveness of Descartes's argument.
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Locke's response to Descartes ran something to the effect of "How about I push you in a fire and we see how you respond." His point being of course, you would try to put out the fire and live whether in a dream or not.
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Reality is an 'extended' dream and Death is when you wake up. Think of this - Can we at this moment tell with 100% confidence ' I am not dreaming'. May be we will wake up this moment from this dream.

I know it is not as simple as it sounds, but its a very interesting paradigm. What happens when we die - this world no more exists for us, it is only a memory, maybe 'just like a dream'.

My conclusion: A dream is reality when you are in it. Reality is a dream (memory) when you are out of it.
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My conclusion: A dream is reality when you are in it. Reality is a dream (memory) when you are out of it.
This is looking at the problem only symptomatically, ignoring the origin of these states: the conscious and unconscious mind.

A dream is what your unconscious mind does to entertain itself when your conscious mind is dormant. Waking state is what happens when your conscious mind returns to its active state and reasserts its dominance.


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